Sounds like you have caught the dreaded, "if one is good, 30 are better," disease! There is NO cure!! Stay away from the UC Davis site, or you will be swimming in cuttings like me! My home vineyard started with 7 wine grape vines, and I now have 80 viable cuttings (some going into containers,) and some tucked in every corner of my yard I can find. Make wine out of your fruit, and your boyfriend will soon get on the "let's plant 60 trees page." I am now going to keep in pots a few fig trees, pomegranates, and olives. UC Davis is a humbling place because for the cost of shipping, they send you cuttings for Free, and when you get them, you suddenly become very spiritual and pray more than you ever did, that these precious living things bestowed on you will grow into mighty thriving plants. God started this whole thing anyway, with his Garden of Eden! Where is that place? Dana Point? I wish you sunny days, and the best of luck with all of your trees! Here is a link that might be useful: Shop for Cuttings at UC Davis

I posted this in another forum, but since the person who dug up this old thread to talk about "gene 6" in multiple forums... In case anyone wants some information about "gene 6"...better/correctly known as "P6"...as it pertains to current discussion based on a study by the EFSA... This is a very wide range of proteins found in virus encoding from HIV to mosaic virus...these proteins are also found in the smoke of burning meat and tobacco. It's a very wide range. In this case, one of the biggest dangers would be a chance encoding to re-invigorate the "dead" version of cauliflower mosaic virus (or P6 residues) that's very commonly used as a carrier string for DNA/RNA insertion that it's inserted into. This could lead to some allergy problems, too, even if it doesn't fully express the mosaic virus but still overlaps enough to express P6 proteins. P6 is a known allergen, though it's not one that everyone is sensitive to. The expression of this gene is highly unlikely, though...and would be regulated to a single (or very small groups) of plants doing this replication rather than entire seed source or a field suddenly replicating mosaic virus or P6 residues. If it is the case that encoding suddenly made it large-scale available it would show up heavily in the research stage and it wouldn't make it out into the consumer market since it's showing inferior/bad genetic expression. One of the biggest parts of GMO research is tossing out 99%+ of everything you're actually trying to create because positive effects of expression aren't stable enough to sell it as seed...or it's showing "bad" expressions. There's a lot of otherwise harmful viruses (to plants or humans) used to insert GMO traits for start/end points into a genetic change that are made inert (and distinctly different) from their original genetic package, but still contain large parts of what makes up the virus, itself. Viruses can easily carry genetic information and they're ideal vehicles for transferring it. The genetic carriers of the virus are merely vehicles. Once you change the "genetic package" inside a virus it's not even what you started with. The "guts" are changed dramatically. If you put a Dodge Neon engine in a Porsche very few people would still consider it a Porsche. That's the level of dramatic change in sequencing going on inside of these packages. You can take certain virus types, depending on what you're trying to achieve, and precisely insert genetic information with start/termination points into existing DNA/RNA...totally turning it's genetic information into something totally different in both makeup and application. Btw, to those with P6 protein sensitivities...this would be a big deal. I'm not trying to knock the research at all. I'm just saying it's overlapping expression would most likely be contained to a very few plants in a field, not widespread. While genetic start/termination points are very good with insertion and replication once stable, nothing is perfect when you're exchanging genes...we see it even natural breeding. The major problem with this particular chain of insertion is the overlapping of the 2 sequences given as example in the paper and what could happen as a consequence of them being genetically linked so closely together...even if there's a very small chance of it happening as defined. It's also worth mentioning we're talking a single virus carrier, not the 100s of types (or the 20-ish most commonly used) carriers. It would also be greatly influenced by the new information inserted, what was cut out, and where the start/termination points overlap (if there is any replication overlap). There's more than 1 way to insert genetic information into virus and the chances of overlap encoding or reversion is different depending on the type of method used.

I have Preene right now but I read that will the Moss...although my wife uses it on our garden beds and the other plants were all just fine. In anycase is there a specific type of roundup that I want to be using? This post was edited by qwiksilvertrav on Thu, Jul 24, 14 at 20:49

Round-Up works great for me, I use it in my walk-way and edges, and it does kill off the weeds for several months.... have to be careful not to let it get into the rose-beds and I only spray when the air is still.... HD had a Special on it for $5.88 which is almost half-price so I picked up extra..... for weeds in my beds I use a piece of roofing I just push it over the weed and it smothers it in a week or so..... I can't bend much anymore so have to resort to 'tricks ', "Necessity is the mother of invention" .... works for me..... sally