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veggieman4
17 years ago

Hi everyone - Im new to gardening and farming (as far as legitimate hands on practice is concerned, at least) and I am about a week away from starting as a volunteer on an organic farm for the first time ( for a period of a month or so).

I just wanted to see if I could get any (invaluable) advice from you more experienced gardeners/ farmers out there, as far as what you would suggest to any green thumb beginner such as myself ( a kind of "if I could do it all over again, I would have done this first/ avoided that/ made sure to doÂ.." type thing)

The farm is located in south west Ontario, and grows a lot of fruits, vegetables and herbs (Currants, Gooseberries, Grapes, Muskmelon, Raspberries, Rhubarb, Watermelon, Artichokes, Asparagus, Beans, Beets, Broccoli, Brussels sprouts, Cabbage, Carrots, Cauliflower, Celery, Eggplant, Escarole, Fiddleheads, Garlic, Leeks, Lettuce, Okra, Onions, Parsnips, Peas, Peppers, Potatoes, Pumpkin, Radishes, Rutabaga, Spinach, Squash, Sweet Potato, Tomatoes, Turnip, Zucchini etc etc)

I am actually quite interested in the permaculturist philosophy and practice of Japanese farmer ; Masanobu Fukuoka (The One Straw Revolution, etc), but I know that this kind of extreme is not really a feasible route to jump into at this stage in my learning process (not to mention the fact that the farm I will be going to is not set up for such an unconventional approach to farming.)

So I was hoping some of you could suggest what you personally believe to be the most fundamental/ critical/ "canÂt go without" - steps to follow, according to your own experiences?

Any specific books to start with, guiding principles to adhere to, or anything else you can think of that would encourage a first timer who is eager to learn as much as possible, while at the same time trying to avoid as many backward, money/time wasting steps as possible on their journey toward a rewarding, sustainable farming lifestyle.

Thanks for your time (and hopefully- your advice as well)

Comments (22)

  • marymd7
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    As a volunteer, you'll be doing what they want you do. My best advice in that context. Wear sunscreen, buy a good hat and stretch in the morning before heading out to work.

    As a home organic gardener? My best advice is to pay attention to the soil up front. Build good beds before you get in an all-fire hurry to plant.

  • billme
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Buy land, rent machines (definitely not the other way around.)

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    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

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  • Heathen1
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I'd go Billme's route. :o)

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    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

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    Patience is needed but it pays off. Especially if you are wanting to go the permiculture route. Things need to be WELL thought out. Take your time, get to know the land. I would say go through at least one of each season before you go hog wild with planting and/or building. Otherwise you will make more work later when you need to move things etc.

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  • veggieman4
    Original Author
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Thanks for all the great responses so far everyone. This is exactly what I was hoping for especially the things that may seem obvious on first view (like buying land before renting machines) but which in the end, are the things that are so often/easily overlooked and will either make or break a persons successes.

    Im always one to stress the "order of operations" of things, with timing being key to everything once those steps are in place (unfortunately for me, I tend to be patient and analytical to a fault, where Im very rarely satisfied with my level of preparedness no matter how much background work I put into something leading to procrastination of the worst variety, with a kind of idealistic strangle hold on most things I want to do.)

    I am glad to see the reinforcement of my suspicion that soil quality is truly of the utmost importance (water and soil being the life blood of the Earth of course, and sometimes requiring a full transfusion when various sicknesses and or nutrient deficiencies take control).

    Ill add "The New Organic Grower" to my small list of books to read in the near future.

    Again; thanks for the help so far everybody

  • byron
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I would rent the land too, Just in case things didn't work out..

    I have seen $Billions in false promises over the past 50 years

  • habitat_gardener
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

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  • trancegemini_wa
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

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  • pablo_nh
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    On new land: map it out, and draw a plan. I have areas where I buy something because I want it, then it doesn't really fit as well into my scheme/planting as I had imagined.

    Second to that- plant fruit trees, berries, perrenial bearing fruits ASAP. Buy them at a reasonable size. You will regret not having them started in 3 years when you wish you had trees bearing fruit.

    On renting machines- I agree... up to a point. There will be a few that you'd need a lot, and may have room for. Buy those. Mower or tractor may fit in that category. Rent: chipper, splitter, backhoe, tiller (I never use one anyway)...

    Mulch more. Mulch grass in place. Plant lots of cover crops. Never leave bare ground- either windrow compost, lasagna compost, or cover crop on it.

    Discover rainbarrels, and use gravity wherever possible to direct water.

    Use Bt correctly. Awesome against all sorts of nasties. Leave one source of water open (maybe rainbarrel) with a dunk in it- skeeters will go to it preferentially, and thus ends their cycle.

    Grow a few crops that stay fresh a long time, or at least freeze well: onions, garlic, winter squash.

    Learn to preserve food. Jellies, sauces, veggies, and dried stuff- would you rather buy that at the store this winter?

    Fence in food crops with a 3' fence. Then take chicken wire and attach it to the same poles, bent out at the bottom for another 1'. Put mulch over that, or let clover grow through it to disguise it really well. Mine's now buried. Critters will try to dig under, but keep hitting the chicken wire. That eliminated the woodchucks from my tomatoes etc (but they still get my echinacea, lettuce, and other stuff). This fencing trick will save you a ton of heartache, in my experience (learned the hard way).

    Get good with the idea that woodchucks will try to eat your hard-earned fruits and veggies. They will chew fruit buds and new growth off flowers and trees. They will eat any veggie that they can get to. They will undermine your outbuildings, and your foot will sink 18" in the ground when you walk over their tunnels. I hope that you don't break an ankle in the process- I almost re-broke mine. Buy a havahart trap (or multiple sizes, I have a squirrel one, and a woodchuck one) and a good BB gun- like a Crossman 760. Get a 22 if your area is big enough.

  • pablo_nh
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Oh- a few more.
    Don't buy bottom of the line tools. You may not need top of the line tools, but el-cheapo brand will waste time, not hold an edge, be less safe, and cost money in the long run when you have to buy another to replace that cheap-@$$ steel.

    Learn how to sharpen tools. Use them properly, and show them the respect they deserve for safety and efficiency sake!!!

    Keep tools and machines serviced well, oiled, etc. You will save yourself tons of work, save money, and have tools/machines that last much longer. Taking 30 minutes to sharpen a chainsaw chain or an axe will save you hours in a single day.

    hand tools. Buy an axe, sledge, and maul. Learn how to sharpen them, and keep them sharp. You really won't believe the difference that it makes. It seems like a hassel, but your body will appreciate the break, and the tool will work better for you. Sustainable means heating your own house.

    A chainsaw is a "buy" tool, IMO- for firewood, and emergency tree removal.
    Short handled spade.
    Digging fork (most used tool that I have).
    A machete.

    Finances: look at the permaculture forum about living without extra income. Hard realities, and good ideas on compromises.

  • byron
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    FWIW Ryobi Tools, Are now serviced ONLY By Home Depot

    For me it took 3 months and $32.50 for a 2mm x 6 mm set screw in a $129 jig saw.

    The tip is make sure you can get local service, I can get Black and Decker, Milwaulkee, Porter Cable or Makita serviced in less than 1 hour, if parts are in stock, 24 hours if I have to wait for parts

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  • tom_in_nh
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    If I could do it over, I'd double-dig all my beds before putting them in production. I did the newspaper/mulch layering thing on some of them... well, let's say those have been really slow (a few years) getting up to speed. Possibly because there are old tree roots or something down there taking a long time and lots of nitrogen to rot away. The beds I double-dug (and cleared of roots and rocks) have been in good production with little fuss.
    I suppose tilling would accomplish much the same thing.

  • pickwick
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    ...just private objections as to the quality of my (river) irrigation water and my asbestos/cement main connecting line half full of sediment....the installation of dual filter clogs water intake (to the pump)very rapidly and stresses the pump motor....Already replaced the pump recently.....I could go with another set-up:a more sophisticated pumping system to pressurize a water tank (I used this set-up back east),but I am not committed to my current property because I have water quality issues...I'd rather move on...

  • pickwick
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    ... Jayne Belnap,a USGS Biologist succinctly suggests that there are lots of voices to be heard while she continues studying the role and function of cryptogamic desert crusts,various soil characteristics of different desert sands,endemic rhizospheric relationships, plant communities and subsequent definitions related to land use issues addressing economic development.I have sat way in the back row near the exit door with city commissioners focussed on economic development/land-use planning issues utilizing effective versions of "Roberts Rules of Orders" overlooking a series of storm runoff issues,erosion control,buffering functions of wetlands and the peculiarities of the behaviour and role of plants based upon uptake studies...I have concluded a general aversion to inputs of biological sciences and just another definition of our "artistic" decision making processes under contemporary conditions....
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  • pnbrown
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    The no 1 thing I have learned in 8 years of gardening on a sloped site? Do not garden on a sloped site, even a south-sloping one like mine.

    Building up soil and clearing trees, stumps and brush is easy compared to dealing with sloped ground. Gravity never goes away - it will never correct itself. I have extensively tested and found to be exceptionally true the old adage that water does not flow up-hill.

  • pickwick
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    ....well,I don't know.....Perhaps incorporate terracing integrated with maybe subsoil methods of irrigation and peripheral plantings of shrubs/ dwarf or semi-dwarf trees planted just so: figure out shadow projections to help alleviate high noon heat intensities inherent with a southern exposure...
    likely written about,you know....

  • paulns
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    One thing I've learned is to not to get carried away with the idea of interplanting 'to confuse the pests'. Looks nice but creates unnecessary work. Even in a 4000 sq. ft. garden the pests can find their way around pretty easily. I plant more and more in single-crop blocks. If there is a pest problem it's easier to find that way.

    Weed prevention is crucial. Many give up on strawberry or asparagus plantings because of weed infestation. Planting buckwheat or annual ryegrass the year before and turning them under helps prevent weeds and improves the soil. Mulch between rows. Weed perennial beds by hand before things get out of hand.

    'Never leave the soil bare' is key, as pablo says, and that includes paths. All our paths are mulched with sawdust, straw, woodchips or eelgrass, depending on the kind of traffic they get.

  • pnbrown
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Terracing is a wicked pain in the butt - something to do only if there is no choice (as in my case). It's dramatically better to garden on a flat spot. And I want to grow vegetables, not shrubs. Bring me not shrubbery, I say.

    I believe 'bare ground' culture is practiced to good effect in semi-arid climates where space is not an issue, but inputs - especially water - are. It seems very wide crop rows (2 or 3 times average) and dirt-mulch are more effective at conserving soil moisture than typical intensive gardening.

  • cantstopgardening
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Excellent advise so far!! I'd like to add:
    Keep tetanus shots up to date. Puncture wounds from thorns/spines/sticks can be source of tetanus.

    Use a garden journal, either electronic, or pencil and paper (my preference, as it can go into the basket of garden tools,) and photos too. It helps to understand all the connections between weather, pests, soils, time, everything, and makes enjoyable reading in the winter.

    Jean

  • paulns
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Another thing. If you see that some strategy you've used to reduce pest destruction, conserve water or whatever is working, stop right there on the spot and tell yourself, That worked! Good for me! Because it's all too easy to see only where you're failing, and to feel you're in an endless race. I think organic growers feel this way more than conventional growers with their chemical arsenals and high fuel inputs.

  • habitat_gardener
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Terracing is not the only successful way to farm a slope. An alternative to terracing is to plant downslope, as the farmers in Papua New Guinea do. Here's a recent newspaper article about this technique.

    SF Chronicle, May 13, 2006
    Alternative to terraced hillsides is going with the flow
    Hillside farmers from New Guinea to Santa Cruz reducing erosion by planting down-slope
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/05/13/HOGKRIOR951.DTL

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