is it ok to put soil directly on grass when filling raised beds?
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What soil do i fill my raised beds with?
Comments (6)Let's consider two issues in turn: what kind of soil, and then how much. The quality of your produce is directly related to the quality of the dirt they grow out of. This makes sense, because plants consist of energy from the sun, oxygen and carbon from the atmosphere, and matter from the soil in which they live. Therefore, it is worth your while to make sure that your beds are full of good dirt. You want to pay attention to a few factors in garden soil, mainly nutrient content and drainage. Once you know what you want, you can buy cheap ingredients and mix them to get what you desire. Base: good ol' dirt A good base for a garden soil mix is the cheap topsoil that you can get at your garden center. Lots of stores sell topsoil for cheap in the spring, like maybe $2 or less for a 40-pound bag. That seems like a lot of dirt, but it's really a negligible amount once you start filling in your bed. Nutrients: compost & peat moss You also want to have a lot of nutrients, so it is a good idea to add in some compost. It's great if you're making it, if not they sell it at garden stores. It's incredibly rich, so it's okay to mix in only a bag or two per raised bed. Peat moss is also a good idea, as it is full of organic matter. It comes in big bags, and is really concentrated so you don't need all that much to have an effect, maybe half a bag for a medium-sized bed. Drainage: sand/vermiculite & peat moss You also need drainage, which refers to the ability of water to seep out of the topsoil. (This is what distinguishes a swamp or marsh from "good" land where you can grow things like tomatoes or corn.) This is aided by little holes in the soil. Since water seeks the lowest level, raised beds inherently have good drainage, but you can make the situation even better. It's a good idea to break up your substrate (the area under your bed) pretty well with a fork or spade before building your bed. You also want to make sure to mix in your added soil with some of your substrate, because an abrupt border can lead to problems with compaction: sometimes roots will never penetrate the substrate if it's not mixed, and drainage will be reduced. It's a good idea to mix some sand into your bed's soil to increase drainage; vermiculite (the white chunks in potting soil) also works, but then it looks too much like potting soil and not enough like a garden for my tastes. The light texture of peat moss can also aid quite a bit in creating better drainage, in addition to the nutrient benefits. That said, it will take a LOT of dirt to fill your raised beds. I built some beds that are 5' wide, 10' long, and 1' high. Each one required a bag of peat moss and 1,600 pounds of topsoil! That's 40 bags of that cheap topsoil, which even at a low price came out to hundreds of dollars for a few beds. I highly recommend against using potting soil or your bill will easily stretch into the thousands of dollars. The way to do it on a budget is to: 1) buy cheap materials 2) mix it yourself 3) use topsoil that is on sale, or maybe even free from a local landfill 4) you can even fill the bottom with straw: a straw bale is pretty cheap and gets you a lot of organic matter. It will biodegrade in a year or two if it's buried at the bottom of your bed, it will increase drainage, it will not hurt your plants, and it's a lot easier to move than dirt. In Scandinavia, they traditionally grow potatoes in straw without even any dirt, and they do fine (plus then they come out totally clean!) 5) don't use potting soil! unless it's old potting soil that you have tossed in your compost pile or something I hope all that helps -- good luck building! Also, it might be a good idea to line the bottom with chicken wire or hardware cloth if you have problems with varmints in your area (so they can't dig up into your bed), or to line the bottom with landscape fabric (to prevent grass etc. from growing up into your bed)...See MoreDoes anyone here put foodscraps directly into their soil?
Comments (20)Remeber the native americans taught the pilgrims about burying fish and planting on top of them. It again may not be practical far all but almost anything including fish can be used in this manner. Just go a little deeper if smell or critters digging it up are a concern. Many years ago I lived in Hawaii and worked at an ethnobotanical garden. Our neighbor were in the dried fish business and hauled thousands of pounds of guts and scap leftover from the process to the landfill. This wasted their time and gas and valuable plant food. I talked them and my boss into letting me dig a hole. 20 feet by 30 feet and 4 foot deep. I dropped frozen boxes of fish scrap into the hole once a week and layered it with any grass and carbon based materials we had available to us. I did have to bring in additional material to keep up with the flow of fish scraps. I did use a plastic top to keep critters and smells to a minimum. I went back last year and found they still use my original method. Literally producing thousands of pounds of compost a year for this 15 acre garden and keep all those valuable fish scraps from the landfill. They are still known for growing some of the best sweet potatoes and taro of anyone on the island. Sorry this is off-topic but I want any and all to open their minds to all the material that we throw away that needs to stay right on our property. I let very little go to the landfill. Use it or lose it. It is our choice. Be creative and look for goodies in your neighborhood that is going to waste and see if you can put it to use. Lasagne or trench or any other way. It is all good for us and the aina (land). Aloha from Texas...See Morefilling raised beds.....
Comments (14)Reading this over, it appears that Cindee is correct. (That's OK - no one says you can't change your name when you want to.) And your question is a repeat of your previous posts - you keep looking for more detailed answers. Maybe we aren't giving you the answers you want but I think you might be making this harder than it is. Look around Florida. Stuff is growing EVERYWHERE. Not just in cultivated yards. Tomato plants grow in muck or in carefully measured containers. I started planting things last year in a bed of nothing but pine fines and everything is doing great. Crytabel mentions that there are as many answers to your question as there are gardeners and it's a true statement. There isn't one perfect answer about soil mix. If the soil is not packed too solid to hold water or to let roots grow and if there's some food available, plants will grow. Try it. If you really want to get into the science of soil mixes, take a look at the Container Gardening forum. That's just about all they talk about. LOL. Well, that's not really true, but it is a major topic over there. One of their regulars - a guy named Al - is a true soil wizard. You may want to send him an email with specific questions, but check out his recent post first (link below). He provides recipes and good science to back it all up. Good luck and let us know how the planting goes. Kate Here is a link that might be useful: Soil mixes...See MoreHelp with filling my first raised bed!
Comments (16)I used to buy Lambert peat moss based mix which is available at Home Depot. But now I make my own mix. I buy a few of those 5kg block of coconut coir from a local company and get them to sell to me at wholesale price, because they are expensive ordering online. Although a bit pricey, I find coconut coir have superior water retention compared to peat moss. I also buy mushroom compost and horse manure compost. Or I get the horse manure for free from a nursery and compost it myself. I make my own leaves compost with leaves from my neighbor yards, and have worm bins. For the mix, I use my Florida native sandy soil, some peat moss, the coconut coir (one of those 5kg block expand to 2.5 cu.ft.) and the composts. I'm concentrating on making more of my own leaves compost, growing cover crop, making worm casting and getting free horse manure so I don't have to keep buying stuff. My next goal is trying to make some of my own biochar, but not sure if the city will be happy with it. You should look at cover crop and mulching to suppress the weeds, I grow nettle and those things reseeds insanely. I mulch with leaves around their base to prevent them from taking over. Also once the vegetables are already growing, I put down clover seeds, they suppress the other weeds from coming up and does the nitrogen fixing, but you have to watch they don't take over the growing space of the other vegetables. I guess you could cover the raised bed with black plastic and only let the vegetables you're growing go through. My property have lots of weeds before I moved in and my main way to suppress them is covering them with a tarp or some old carpet for a month or two for all the weeds to die, then put raised beds over them. One thing you have to watch out for is trees, or invasive plants or vines, their roots will inevitably go into the raised bed, so I till my beds after each growing season....See MoreRelated Professionals
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