It seems everyone's rudeness sensitivity has a different adjustment. If you want to see rude, flip on over to the Soils forum or the Organic Gardening forum where it is too common to gang up on one member and flat out call him stupid in so many words. On the corn gluten meal thread which ZS started a week or so ago, he said I had accused him of something but he would ignore it because he wanted to remain positive. I put the following into a message. Can anyone help me see where I might have made an accusation and one that had a negative note to it? Then ZS replied with the following Dchall_san_antonio wrote: > In real life it is rare to find someone who has had a good experience with CGM as a preemergent. I'm not sure if he was ignoring my request or replying to it. If anyone would care to help, please send me an email through my member page. I don't see it. It seems to me that ZS is egging us on by posting quotes that fly in the face of what has become common knowledge. When we try to explain either what is wrong with the quote or where the quote left off vital information or where the source quote was taken out of context, then the tone of the messages changes for the worse. To me it is clear who threw the first punch on this thread. Tiemco asked some questions and ZS bit his head off. I offered some clarification and got my head bit off. ZS if you prefer to read books and do not like to read what we have to say in this forum, then why are you here? I'm not saying there is no reason to be here, I'm simply asking why you are here? Are you here to offer us the benefit of what you have read? If that is the case then we will respond completely differently. Most people come here to find out if what they have read holds water. We have made that assumption with you. If we have been giving you advice when you were not looking for it, then that might be the root of the antagonism. Giving unwanted advice is considered rude to a lot of folks. Please let us know. You can establish your credentials based on what you read outside the forums and we'll leave it alone. I might add that disagreeable messages are one reason that forums lose membership. I've seen some really great people leave this forum simply because of one or two members who pestered them mercilessly. If you would not like to receive our thoughts and comments on your threads, it is easy enough to make that happen. Since I seem to be a catalyst for you, ZS, and since I don't see where my remarks are setting you off, then I'll stop replying with these thoughts and let you go.

Thanks! Tiemco - exactly, in the spring its just the crabgrass and a few other weeds that I am concerned with. I used tupersan last year (I had seeded last fall, but felt the lawn was too new to use something harsher) and had good results. A few weeds popped up, but nothing that I couldn't get rid of by hand. I did get some Poa Annua last fall that was annoying, but this fall I put down a more robust pre-emergent that is labeled for it. In terms of the compost there is no specific problem I am trying to remedy, I just like to add some compost to the soil every year. If it lies dormant for a few weeks thats not a problem.

Here in Tampa, FL some of my plants have gone dormant (no sign a plant is in the pot) while others have only stopped doing anything (no growth, no leaf loss), and one has taken off, and 2 flowered throughout the "winter". I've not had them long enough to know how the weather (lack of freeze) will effect their growth on the long term. If they do well then I'll be happy, if they don't, then they did what they were supposed to do for the climate I'm in. I hope they make it long enough for me to be able to move back north where we both belong. I took these photos today, Paul's Glory has been loveing life, others arent so sure. Paul's Glory

What do you mean by somewhat control what happens? Sorry I missed your post. Typically when you overseed there's a few steps you take to enhance establishment. You scalp to reduce competition from existing grass. You delay mowing until the new grass has a chance to mature a little. You hold off on herbicides. You apply starter fertilizer. You check your weather for the following week to see if there's going to be some help from above with watering. When you dormant seed, you relinquish all control. The seed is going to come up at some point, hopefully not before a week of drought. You don't know when to put down fertilizer, when it's ok to spray herbicide, when it's ok to mow. Ultimately, there's no advantage to dormant seeding, only disadvantages. If you wait until spring, keep an eye on the weather for a week of rainy weather, prep the yard and seed, I think the overall results will be better. If you have large bare spots, run over them twice with the spreader so they get 8-10 pounds per thousand rate. For seeding areas with 50% or more existing coverage, use the 4-5 pounds per thousand rate.