Wow Connie! You have some setup going, that's impressive. I'll comment on the ones I know about. I grew Vintage Visalia in the mtns but it never got taller than 4 feet up there with a 3 month growing season and the deer kept eating on it. It was the only large rose I had that last the 13 years were there, through all the snows I did no winter protection either. I've seen the rose bush at the nursery, it's huge, it stands about 8' tall or so. I don't care what HMF says, when I went down there to get another for this house and saw how large that rose gets I decided I wouldn't have the room for that one after all, LOL* Sequoia Ballet is another I wanted to get and was dissuaded from doing so last spring as a new rose. It had a great growing season even with our weeks of 100's and the rose bush they grow the cuttings off of is gorgeous and easily 5'tall and it was still immature. I got one in Oct after the manager admitted then it's a terrific rose, she was very impressed by how vigorously it grew even in the heat. In two months of growth this rose ended Dec 17"Tx19"Wide. Thanks To Sue is slow growing for me, I had it in a bad place the first fall and it was one of the last I transplanted last spring. I have it in full sun now and in cooler weather the roses are more an apricot and hotter weather they're yellow. It has unusual growing shape and leaves and as the plant matures then it holds the blooms up better. The foliage is very pretty on this rose. I ended the first full year with the rose at 18"Tx40"Wide. I was looking to replace two roses in front of my dining room in back of my other minis and I love the Hybrid Bracteatas, I asked and the manager reaffirmed that Precious Dream and Out Of The Night will both be excellent roses. The latter had 4 fat buds that tried blooming end of Dec but it was just too cold by then and the roses aren't very nice looking. Tells me though this will be another of my roses that should go all the way through on milder years. These should be in the neighborhood of between 2 and 3' tall depending on your season. I planted them also in Oct. Not a whole lot of info but a little more for you. Leslie

SCG I live in the Salmon Arm area as does McTavish if she ever gets posting again. She is the one that got me involved in hosta and has been quite a great ride, I must say. I got these from Hosta Choice in Appin Ontario. I have also ordered in the fall from Hosta Geek( also calles Fundy Beauties in NB) They too have great plants and I had ordered large divisions in the fall and they came up in the spring looking like 3rd yr plants. I love instant gratification at my age.

Thanks cnetter and jmac. I hate to admit it, but I've never learned how to post photos. In fact, I've had a digital camera for nearly 2 years that takes decent closeups, but I have yet to learn how to upload the pictures to my computer. It involves installing some software, and I've never taken the time to read the instructions through. How embarassing! lol Sorry to hear of Aambiance rose's demise, jmac. I guess I'm spoiled here, having practically no winter. The miserable July and August months pose the most strain on many of the roses here, but won't really kill them so long as we tend to spider mites. But winterkill, unheard of here, thankfully. I'm really looking forward to these last roses. My yard space is miniscule, but I'm happy to announce I'm moving this July to a bigger house with a bigger yard, which also gets primarily morning, noon, and late afternoon sun, with shade from the house during the early and mid afternoon. Perfect for this hot climate! Wish me luck with the move. I hate moving, but am really looking forward to being in the new place. My roughly 40 roses will have little room to stretch out now.

I am getting excited for y'all just watching your group order conversations, guys! Good luck. I was starting to feel a serious itch for the last few weeks to get something new and exciting, and I was considering a Thailand order - but then a big Catasetum orchid vendor announced a sale at prices that are impossible to resist, so I am hosting a big group order among a few of my orchid friends. We are up to 7 people, 29 plants and well over $400 in cost even after all the generous volume discounts. Everybody is pretty excited.