Landscaping Cost, is $50,000 for this reasonable?
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Comments (21)What I noticed is that the plant sizes would make for a very mature landscape right away. I mean REALLY mature. 7 gallon azaleas--3 gallon ferns--if in fact the gallon size is "good container" grown and not just potted up. The heights, when noted, are large. The prices do seem high compared to what I have seen for even for large specimens at my local nurseries (not box stores) but again, we're not in the same region or market. So obviously it will be a big job to install such large items correctly for good survival--really big holes! And, do we assume that the spacing they used reflects both the fact that some of these babies aren't going to grow much more as well as that some of them, when they do grow, will grow a lot since are large to start with. As laag has pointed out, you would get a really big bang right away from using specimens this large. So you may be paying super top dollar for that, and should decide, does that sound cool and not worth trying to cut back $1000 or so to get different plant prices. Part of the deal is to try to figure out how you can be assured or satisfied about what you are "getting" from this company. Isn't it appropriate to discuss that with the company to some extent? Such as , wow, $__ for a __--tell me why that is. Seems like they ought to have an answer, though I admit I might not be able to interpret it, such as, well, we have a grower whose plants are just primo, all the other 5-gal whatevers are usually root bound and blah, blah, blah. I would prefer to pay reasonable rates for plant material and be shown a higher rate for labor than to think items were padded or larger than necessary items were used, or whatever. Another question I would have, not knowing the whole deal on your property and the areas being landscaped, is, is the area being prepped adequately to accept these large specimens? Perhaps you have really good topsoil alrady and/or they are building large partially raised beds with a good loam. How many yards of what kind of soil mix are you getting for $975? My example would be, you can't just dig a big hole in clay soil or raise up low-quality topsoil for a bunch of 7 gal azaleas and expect it to be happy. So, you're back to some form of shopping around and/or reviewing references and examples of their work and deciding on the company and not just the shopped-cost. Trust vs. research vs. some combination....See MoreNew Construction - 50,000 s.f. Lawn
Comments (36)Texas-Weed, that TAMU site is very helpful. Thank you. Here's what it says about the contentious issue of centipede's drought tolerance: "Centipedegrass is naturally shallow rooted and water management is critical on heavy textured soils during summer months. Centipedegrass is not as drought tolerant as some people have been led to believe, and improper watering during drought stress can cause problems. Water should be applied when centipedegrass shows signs of water stress -- wilted and discolored turf. Light, frequent applications of water should be avoided since it promotes shallow rooting. Thoroughly wetting the soil 4 to 6 inches deep only when the grass shows signs of moisture stress is the proper procedure for watering centipedegrass lawns. Sandy soils require more frequent applications of water, but the soil should be wet 6 to 8 inches deep after each irrigation. Centipedegrass should also be watered during dry winter months to avoid desiccation. Excessive nitrogen fertilization and improper watering account for many of the problems homeowners have with centipedegrass lawns." I note that the bibliography of Sandy Baker's book, "The Complete Guide to Organic Lawn Care" is filled with references to TAMU.edu pages, so I'm sure Texas-Weed picked a good source of information for us newbies. Baker and Tukey have both written helpful organic lawn care books. There's a lot more colorful pictures in Tukey's book, so a total newbie will probably want to read that one first, and then Baker's next. Both authors provide very useful info. I loved Baker's explanation of the different types of soils from sandy to silt to loam to clay. Her composting section is really good too. Paul Tukey sparks a newbie's imagination with all those great colorful photos and his helpful sections on compost tea (the book motivated me to brew some myself). He also has really excellent sections on the Organic ways to control weeds. I guess the next book on my reading list is "Teaming with Microbes."...See Morerenovating goes outside - -what cost for landscaping?
Comments (12)Well, of course, "cheap labor" is relative in the Bay Area on the West Coast, where minimum wage is actually quite high (although still not more than barely adequate, given our high cost of living). We use a referral non-profit source for Latino day laborers and the cheapest workers are $12/hr with more skilled labor costing $15-25. I've read both your posts and can't see where you've said what size area you are landscaping. I assume it must not be that large if you are upset with the pricing? It's hard to tell how much area you are talking about, and I think the Landscaping Forum folks have a good point when they noted that many of your specimens are larger than average. Large specimens are similar to special order stock, always very costly. I can buy a 1-gallon container plant from the Evil Orange's garden center for $6.99, but it cost us $250 to buy a 4' variegated sweetgum. I wasn't going to find that plant just anywhere, and in fact never have seen another one despite regular and frequent haunting of the local nurseries (one of my addictions, LOL). I once picked up a 4' Japanese Maple 'Aureum' for $85 and came home all excited because I'd seen similar speciments six months before for $150 and up at the very same nursery. If I could have afforded it I'd have bought something bigger, since they grow really, really slowly.....but you get the idea. By buying larger specimens you do get that immediate visual 'impact' that tiny little 1-gallon containers just can't match. Our lot is considered quite good-sized for the San Francisco Bay Area, about 5600 sq. ft. 15 years ago the local paper ran an article on what it cost to landscape an identical size lot, assuming some hardscaping was already in place but more was needed (such as a deck or patio, not large or elaborate, just a plain square with some built-in seating). They had several landscape designers draw up moderate budget designs. Costs came in -- remember, this is 1990 we are talking about -- from $25,000 to $50,000. Flash-forward to 2005. The newspaper did a similar article, and costs came in $50,000 to $85,000. This was not fancy stuff, like outdoor kitchens or flagstone patios (stone is really, really costly out here, which I know makes all the New Englanders laugh out loud), just simple basic designs that were properly installed. One of the best cost estimators for urban homeowners I've seen, was the recommendation that landscaping should be around 10% to 15% of the value of your home and lot, for an average design (again, not the swimming pool/outdoor kitchen/extra outbuilding with bathroom stuff). Of course, if you live in the San Francisco Bay Area, that is still a lot of money. It means that our little two bedroom starter home, being worth about $600,000 -- we live in a marginal neighborhood that is has only been gentrifying for the last 10 yrs so is still 'affordable' -- can put a value of about $60-90,000 on the plants and hardscape we've installed, either on our own or using professionals. Expensive? Sure is, but if your housing area justifies that kind of return, then even on a strictly bottom-line basis, it could be worth it. And if you live in the place long enough, you could easily figure that if averaged over ten years, for example, you received a good value for your $$$....See More50,000 Interior Reconfiguration after Addition?
Comments (8)Hi. Thanks for responding tj and weedy. The three walls in the three rooms are probably (?) load bearing as they are the exterior side walls of the house (Bedroom on top of the dining room which is being extended) face out to the yard, but which are now going to lead to a new addition). Forgive my lack of knowledge about load bearing walls (I thought these described interior walls that held up the house) -- I would appreciate an accurate definition : ). The finish work includes floor (plywood floor and all trim (moldings), not closet systems or carpet. I thought the price was crazy high as well... this, remember is on top of the 200-300 sq ft which they are charging for an addition. We built a few small closets with our old builder and the price was 1700 a closet with the closet systems. Sadly, our builder whom we did all our other work with (and loved), is no longer with us....See MoreFrankie_in_zone_7
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