Supporting stone veneer wall - Footing??
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Can we talk about stone veneer?
Comments (60)When exterior materials of different coefficients of expansion are rigidly attached to one another, they will eventually fail. Therefore, the attachment detail of veneer materials not only needs to allow water to drain, it must allow the materials to move independently. This is why the original "brick veneer" system had a cavity between the structural wall and a wythe of brick 4" thick and the brick was supported on a ledge and attached to the wall with flexible ties. A stone veneer wall was the same with 4" thick stone. I've designed and built many buildings with this system. Designing a tile-like cladding for a wood framed wall is difficult even in warm, dry climates. Some good systems were described in this thread 5 years ago. I'm not sure why cultured stone would perform worse than natural stone except that it absorbs more moisture, however, the joints do that anyway and in the photos above, the cultured stone doesn't appear to have cracked....See MoreAdvice please!!---- Crushed stone footings
Comments (7)Crushed rock footings transfer the load out differently than concrete footings. Take Superior Walls for an example. If you have 8 inches of crushed rock footing/drainage bed under the 10" bottom plate of the wall, the crushed rock transfers the load out at a 45 degree angle from the edge of the footing plate, so you pick up a much larger bearing capacity with crushed rock. (provided that it is contained.((cant run or leak out anywhere)) You get the 10 inches directly below the bottom plate of the wall and an additional 16 inches outside the wall at the bottom of the crushed rock, for an equivalent bearing area of 26 inches at the soil line. Crushed rock, and pea rock, soil classification is non compressive soil. (again, as long as it is contained) Crushed rock foooting are nothing new with Superior Walls, and are the mainstay of a AWWF foundation. (wood foundation) I am not disputing that you have a leakage problem with your Superior Walls, but, it would be my guess that there is something else causing the leakage to occur, such as improper drainage at the surface level, improper management of bulk water (rain gutters) improper backfill materials, foundation drain to daylight not working, or a sump that can not keep up, or something of the likes. Properly installed, AWWF and PreCast foundations are some of the driest available, because of their mandated use of crushed rock in both the footings and subslab drainage areas....See MoreElevation: Windows and Stone veneer
Comments (23)I can try to answer the question about half height brick/stone veneer on wood frame buildings. Brick and stone are very old traditional residential materials and that tradition began with solid double and triple wythe layers of brick with occasional bricks laid perpendicular to tie the layers together or vertically to denote floor lines or arched over an opening. Stone walls were built in a similar manner. Wood framing was sometimes placed on top of a brick/stone wall but the change had to occur at a floor where the floor braced the wall because if the change occurred elsewhere the wall would have little resistance to lateral forces (wind, earthquake) due to the discontinuity of the wall structure between floors (walls transfer lateral loads upward and downward to the floors of a building). Changing the structural material at a floor level also permitted one wall to be thicker than the other without creating an awkward shelf on the inside or the outside of the wall. With the advent of modern "brick-veneer cavity-wall" construction (one wythe of brick set an inch in front of a wood framed wall and tied back with metal ties every 24" in each direction) a brick wall could simulate a traditional solid wall for a fraction of the price and it was easier and cheaper to add insulation and wiring, etc. Stone could also be installed this way. But this system also allowed brick to stop mid-way between floors because it was only a cladding with the actual wall structure hidden behind it. Of course, the change created an awkward setback that was difficult or expensive to flash properly but it was a way to introduce a token amount of stone or masonry on a wood framed building for short money - a developer's dream. So, suburban developers latched onto this idea and used it in subdivisions all over America to the point that it became the most common developer cliche after repetitive gables and giant hipped roofs. Apparently they did not see the irony in the fact that the wall was supposed to look like a traditional structural brick wall but if it were it would not be be built in that manner. What the half height wall does is tell the world that although the wall might look like a structural brick wall, it's actually only a cladding. Ok, so we all know it isn't a structural brick wall but I believe that a designer should either copy the real thing as faithfully as possible or create something that is enough different that it has it's own design integrity and style. Unfortunately, the residential design world seems too often to be stuck somewhere in between these goals....See Moremasonry footing for a 'wet' stone wall
Comments (3)Its sort of a seat retaining wall. There is about a foot grade difference on either side of the wall. It will be about 24 inches high on one side and 36 on the other. During my commute to work I see another project and I noticed that the wall there is gravel and a poured pad. Then they used cinder blocks for internal support, and stone around that. I will wait to see the bid before making any decisions or taking up with the contractor, and I will be looking at references and drive by work completed by the contractor before making a decision. As an FYI, I will have a 4 foot retaining wall and that will be poured down 4 feet, or to ledge and pinned, whatever comes 1st. Molly, some of my more ambitious projects are being bid out. Time is an issue. For example, the landscape project and bluestone terraces I was planning to do are being done by professionals. So is the foundations work I was planning to do. I am forced to take smaller projects with shorter completeion cycles, like new walls in a sitting room and installation of interior leaded glass windows between hallways and room. Just no time and the wife seems to be losing patience with projects that go over a month. I can't blame her. My next project is a Post and Beam constructed open wood shed. I intend to pin the hole thing together like in the old days! I have rough sawn 4x6 lying around from my rennovation. I think this should be a fun project!...See Moremarcinde
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