Inga,

Congrats on your new purchase. When my miele speed oven was installed, the Miele installer had a table on wheels that he could adjust the height on. The whole table assembly folded almost flat. He raised it to put the speed oven on and place in the cabinet cavity. Do you have a local appliance store who can assist with this installation? If you are not in a position to move a heavy oven, I would really look for someone to install it. By the way, what are you doing with the Gaggenau oven?

Good luck!

Thanks for your reply homepro04

The main problem is having to remove the Gaggenau then do the rough opening work and retile the opening before the GE can be installed. As for the Gaggenau. It works perfectly, self clean and rotiserie to boot. I became so irritated and annoyed with the moisture that builds up between the panes of glass. The fact that the entire door is glass makes it all that much worse. There are days where atmospheric moisture builds up and the entire door fogs up. Then the water drips between the panes. Gaggenau would do nothing about it acting as if I have created this problem. By the way, the house is Air condition to 75 year round. It is kind of a focal point of the kitchen and the tile column and it is unsightly. I was going to give it to a friend but she can't fit it into her environment without major renovation. I would give it to someone who instrumentally helped me with the removal of the Gag and the installation of the GE. If nothing else, I could buy a gun, shoot the oven and make a video and put it on Youtube. ::)) Advertisement for Gaggenau.

I purchased it from Ferguson (they are a nationwide store I think) To the best of my knowledge they don't have their own installers but I'm not positive about that. I know when I purchased the Bosch DW from the Builder's appliance store I paid for delivery and installation. I asked if they had their own installers and the answer was yes. A lie! They farm it out and two kids one who was absolutely worthless and the other not a whole lot better installed it and couldn't get it flush and level. They said it was the floor and my granite counter. Mind you, the Asko they removed was in flush and level. I finally told them to move on. My husband had to reinstall it as the door wouldn't close unless you torqued it. So that's how it works here in SW Florida.

Inga

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homepro01

One more thing please...How high up was your Miele speed oven installed? I'm not familiar with that brand but have a GE advantium. They are not all that heavy yes?

Thanks again

Inga

Is your Gaggeneau not working or are you unhappy with it? I'm just wondering since I am placing my order for a gagg oven tomorrow.

melisa918

I have never had an issue with how it works. I have had a lot of problems with moisture between the panes of glass making an unsightly mess. Gaggenau has not been very helpful but did suggest I have a service rep come out to take the glass apart and clean it on my dime of course. The guy said he would NOT take it apart as the controls are also on the door and he didn't want to risk damaging anything. It is a side opening oven. Unfortunately the double glass is the entire door making the between the panes water droplets that much more unsightly. That is the major thing with the oven. In addition though, I find it quite small. Now that GE has a 5 Cubic foot oven with french doors it seems like a good time to make the change and get this annoyance out of my life.

Good luck with your purchase. I would suggest you use it a lot and if there are any issues have a warranty call. Gaggenau is arrogant and not very pleasant to deal with after the warranty has expired even though this issue seems to be a design flaw.

Inga

Inga,

My Miele speed cook was about 125lbs. It is also 48" off the ground. Looking at your picture, my speed cook is only a few inches lower than your oven.

Wondering if you ever got your oven out?

I have not. Have been trying to find something to rent/buy something similar to what homepro1 had. It sounds as that is the way to go. Husband in town today hopefully finding something like that to rent. The new oven is being delivered on Tues.

A friend suggested I hire some of the local fishermen where I usually buy fish/claws etc. It's a good idea, they are probably strong enough but getting them when they haven't imbibed too much could be a problem.

Inga

Your husband could slap together a table/trolley using 2x4s and castors. Make it the correct height and you could slide the Gagg out onto it and roll it away. We did something like this when removing a double oven for repairs.

If you could get something built before delivery, have the delivery guys put the GE on the cart for you. Unboxed of course.

And you need to be careful to not put any weight on the front of the ovens. There was a thread here a while back where a person got an oven (double) that had been placed directly on the floor for a while and the whole thing was bent and warped such that the bottom door no longer closed. These things can usually be supported by the bottom edges but not the front.

A patient lift, also called a Hoyer Lift can be rigged to do what you want with some straps. They are carried by many medical supply companies, but don't know where you can rent one

https://www.4mdmedical.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/27493/s/painted-hydraulic-lift/?CAWELAID=120141310000056386&CAGPSPN=pla&gclid=CjwKEAiAvPGxBRCH3YCgpdbCtmYSJABqHRVwqa7EuwEjfqkHFSjWGZfG4kW8IE9Jpuf1M6eb7fXIuRoCyuzw_wcB#.Vj1aZ36rSUk

A similar piece of equipment is called an automotive or engine crane - Harbor Freight sells one for about $200. http://www.harborfreight.com/2-ton-capacity-foldable-shop-crane-60388.html Again you would need to buy some straps.

I like something like this, http://www.harborfreight.com/set-of-2-1-inch-x-12-ft-lashing-straps-67386.html though the ones I have are rated in excess of 1,000 pounds.

If you are not used to working with these types of lifts and rigging, I would hire someone. No matter how heavy duty the lift, you need to properly rig it or the appliance can move or tilt or even fall out of the rigging unexpectedly and hurt someone.

It is called a hydraulic or scissor lift. I found one at harbor freight. This may work for your situation if the max height works out.

harbor Freight Lift

Homepro01,

I looked at that. The smaller version won't work...if I recall it only lifts to 20" We need to lift to 42.5" from the floor. They got quite expensive if I am remembering correctly but also heavy to manage. I am having sleepless nights figuring how to get the old oven out and the new one in. Beginning to wonder if I should have just lived with the water damage between the panes on the Gaggenau and said c'est la vie! Too late now, I own the GE (and the Gaggenau)

I'm still looking for something that your installer had. It sounds different from that.

Inga

Inga,

Do you have an equipment rental place like sunrise rentals in your area? They should have these units in higher capacity to rent for a few days which may be cheaper than ordering one.

Good luck!

homepro

I found lots of condos/apartments to rent under "sunrise rentals"

We actually have 3 rental places in Ft. Myers, Fl. Bob was supposed to check them out when he was in town yesterday but ran out of time. Monday when I head into town I'm going to stop at the place I purchased my SQ washer dryer. They sell the same oven but not the monogram brand, henze the reason I didn't buy from them. Will see what they use to install and if they can direct me to where I could rent such a piece of equipment.

Last night I had a nightmare. all of the tiles on the column were demolished during the oven installation. I can't remember how many tiles I made but it was a bunch and an incredible amount of work not to mention $$$.

Inga

Inga,

Sorry about that. Autocorrect made a change. It is Sunbelt rentals and they have locations in Florida.

Hi,

After a lot of running around trying to either purchase or rent a lift mechanism I finally gave up in frustration. Everything was either too heavy (heavier than the oven) too large and cumbersome to get close enough if we could even get it into the pick up and into the kitchen. My husband then spent an inordinate amount of time trying to figure out how to get the oven out. He ended up stacking two end tables taping them together to keep them from moving. He rigged up a lift system using an electric hoist from my studio. He bought some tie downs which were secured around the oven and hooked to the electric hoist. The dolly was lying under the tables We enlisted a neighbor to help steady things. When I lifted the oven off the tables, the neighbor pushed the tables out of the way. I lowered the oven onto the dolly as the two men helped to steady things. Clever guy that my husband is; it all worked flawlessly - no one had to lift the oven and no one got hurt. The oven is now on the dolly in the exercise room.

The opening has been reworked and is ready for me to tile at which point the new oven is ready to be installed.

Inga

That's a pretty good solution, Inga. Happy for you.

Congrats Inga!!

Finally, today the new oven was installed. It was definitely exciting to finally get this done. I felt the oven preheated very fast and the theatre lights are really nice. Obviously there is much more to this learning curve and discovering how things work. I'm looking forward to cooking and using the new oven. Here are two pictures from different angles.

Inga

Very nice looking Inga.

homepro01,

I meant to mention the "professional" installation was nothing I expected. I did expect someone to come with a foldable piece of equipment as in your install. I had hoped to actually see the piece of equipment,. Not the case. There were 3 guys very professional looking in matching t shirts with the company name printed on the shirts and navy pants and tool boxes. Two of the men had some kind of back brace that also had a wide band to go around the oven. They basically lifted the oven with their back braces. The problem came when the electric cable was not long enough for the other guy to hook it up with these two holding the oven up with their back braces. I had to offer one of my end tables which still wouldn't work. When I suggested stack another table The certified guy had (I figured he was as he was doing the electrical hook up) literally jumped into the opening to do the electric hook up. The oven needed to be screwed in to hold it into place and since the surround is tile and cement board there was no way to screw the oven in without popping the tile off. I suggested he drill the screw holes at an angle and hope to hit a solid surface. Fortunately, my husband was here and he performed the job as the installer didn't want to do that. I guess ovens are designed to go into cabinetry.

In retrospect, I think my husband was right. He reminded me. We could have done the job better and easier. I was just trying to save him and me extra work thinking the pros could do it easier.

Inga.

Too funny Inga. Glad they finally got it in place for you.

Your kitchen is awesom.

Ifoco - I am interested in purchasing the GE also and was wondering how do you like yours? Any concerns?

Hi Amrita,

I love it.

The glide out extension racks had one spot where they were not enameled; very small bare spot about 1/4 inch in exactly the same spot on each rack. I think it's where they were picked up and dipped. I thought an oven of that price should have racks that were better. I emailed GE with my complaint. Within 24 hours I received a reply requesting pictures which I provided. They sent me two new racks pronto. Another time I called to ask what the temperature of the High broil and the low broil was as it isn't in the manual. You always get to speak to someone even though they are not really technichians. I could tell it's someone looking it up in a manual. Fine with me, I got my answer pronto. My point is they are accessible and respond which I appreciate which so many mfg don't do.

I know a lot of people on this forum are great bakers and bake a lot. At this point in our lives, I don't bake much anymore with the exception of an occasional pie, crostada, quiche or tart for dinner parties. So I can't speak to the eveness of baking cookies. I do bake bread but haven't used the proofing mode since I have been making the slow proof bread that sits on the counter for 18 plus hours. The baking I do, everything comes out just fine. I do make pizza but have a pizza stone I use and it comes out well.

The steam clean in my opinion is worthless. It didn't really clean the oven and cleaning up the water and other mess was more work than I expected and the oven was still dirty. However, the self clean function works great. I have used it 4 times despite the general consensus on this forum one shouldn't use the self clean function on ovens.

It seems to preheat realtively fast, but I haven't really timed it. When in the preheat mode it makes a low rumbling sound. Doesn't really bother me but my husband who is hard of hearing but hears low sounds looks around wondering if a barge is coming by the house. When it is turned on, there is a fan that works but again, it isn't really terribly loud. The fan runs long after the oven is turned off. It's relatively quiet. Often I know its still running because I can feel it as I walk by.

I love the french doors and the way they work. I like the looks of the oven in my kitchen as well. I don't have another oven other than an Advantium so my oven gets a fair amount of use. I guess you can tell I am happy. It looks good and functions well. If you have any other questions that I haven't covered, just ask.

Best wishes,

Inga