Jarred yeast vs yeast in packets
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Comments (20)Thanks Teresa. terrapots - It sounds like you used the correct yeast, but you may have: a. Over-proofed the dough (allowed it to rise more than double) during the first rise (bulk fermentation) and it didn't have any "umph" left for the final proof after it was panned - especially since you didn't have any oven spring to the loaves. If the dough is under-proofed, you generally get oven-spring but the sides will shred (crack open). b. Allowed the dough to rise in a temperature that was too warm, thereby killing some of the yeast. Do you pre-heat the oven for a bit and then put the dough in the oven to rise during the 1st rise? It's easy to have the warmed oven TOO hot when using this method. Most people don't check the internal temperature of the oven. When you place the dough into the oven, the yeast on the outside of the dough will quickly die if the ambient temperature 140°F or hotter. The temperature should be below 90°F. If you use your oven for a proofing box, just use the light in the oven for warmth (turn it on to warm the oven when you first start making your bread) and check the temperature. In my oven, it's between 80°-85°F on the opposite side of the oven from the light - which is a great temperature for dough rising. c. Your yeast may not be active. I once purchased a new package of SAF-Instant Yeast that was well before the use-by date that wouldn't rise at all. When you use bulk yeast, it's good to test it. Especially if you don't use it very often and it's in storage a long time. To test yeast: In a 1-cup glass measuring cup place 1/4 c. warm water, 1 t. sugar, 1-1/2 t. yeast. Wait 10 minutes. If the yeast is active, the mixture should be up to the 1/2 c. line. If the rise isn't to the 1/2-cup line, then you know the yeast isn't active enough to raise dough to double. Helpful hint: when proofing yeast in water/sweetener, add the yeast to the water, not the water to the yeast. The activity of water being dumped on the yeast can actually kill some of them. If you vigorously stir the mixture, you can kill some of the yeast. If you're like most people you use a slant-sided bowl for the dough to rise in. The slanting sides is an inaccurate way to judge when the dough has doubled. It's much smaller on the bottom of the bowl and gets larger as it goes up. It's easy to under- and over-proof dough in a slant sided bowl because you're not exactly sure what or where "double" is. And once again, dough doesn't know how to tell time, so the instructions in the recipe for rising times is just a good (or bad) guess. I'd suggest using a dough rising bucket to help gauge when dough has doubled in the first rise. You can find them at restaurant supply stores or on-line from King Arthur Flour or other on-line sources. They call them food storage containers at restaurant supply stores. They come in both square and round models at the restaurant supply stores - I have some of both. I normally use a round 2-quart size (usually 2-1/2# dough), but I have them in several sizes for larger amounts of dough. As long as it has a tight fitting lid and straight sides, you're in business for a dough rising bucket. It's the perfect environment for dough rising. No drafts, hold and provides it's own moisture, etc. If you happen to have an empty plastic ice cream bucket, that would work. The dough rising buckets/food storage containers have graduated measurements on the side, which makes it nice to use. If you use another type of straight-sided plastic container that doesn't have measurements on it, just use a ruler to measure the dough. Handle the dough with oiled hands. Pat it into the bottom of the plastic container and put on the lid. Measure where the dough is up the side of the container with a ruler. Take that measure and double it and place a piece of masking tape there - make sure you remember (or mark) whether the top of the tape, or the bottom of the tape, is where the dough will be double. When the dough rises to that mark, that means the dough has doubled in bulk. If the dough measures 1-1/2-inches, then it's double at 3-inches - if it measures 2-inches, then it's double at 4-inches, and so on. You can place the dough in the dough rising bucket in the oven with the light on, as a nice warm spot for the dough to rise. Start checking the dough to see how much it's risen after 20-25 minutes. It may only take 30-minutes to double. -Grainlady...See MoreYeast question from a bread baking novice
Comments (9)I agree with Ann T, I keep my yeast in a quart jar in the refrigerator because I buy it two pounds at a time at Sam's Club. I seldom measure, I just dump it in. If you add more yeast than the recipe calls for you might get a slighty more "yeasty" flavor which most people wouldn't notice. Too little? If you're even close, your bread will still rise. Heck, sourdough bread is made without any yeast at all. I've run out and made batches with whatever I have left and it still rises. Plus, if you bake a lot of bread, your kitchen will have "wild" yeasts which can help out when you're baking bread. Don't worry about it, bread is not an exact science. Ratios of wet to dry depend on the humidity, the brand of flour, how long you've stored that flour, lots of things. The rate of rising for your dough depends on temperature, on the yeast, on the type of flour used. Every day and every loaf will be a bit different, and it'll all be good! Annie...See MoreYeast (IDY) failed proof test?
Comments (19)I did go to SLT in El Segundo today and bought more yeast, proceeded to proof it, to make sure it was good. I had already thrown out the yeast in the jar that I had used before, but when I tested that yeast, I used 1/2 cup of water, 1 tsp sugar, and only 1/2 tsp yeast. It only made a couple of bubbles on the top after several hours, and I had thought that this was enough to consider it bad. Next I opened the new yeast and tested it according to GL's instructions, using 1/4 cup tepid (101 degree) water, 1 tsp sugar, and 1-1/2 tsp yeast. Bubbles quickly reached the 3/4 cup mark. Since I had not tested the old yeast with this formula, I got a jar from the freezer that had the other half pound of yeast that I had bought two weeks before, and I tested it the new way. It quickly reached the 1 cup mark - see photo below, and so I guess that jar is okay. Why would one jar be bad and the other one not? I checked the jar whose contents I had discarded, and I noticed that it had a faint coffee odor, as Kevin had stored coffee in it before, and I had only wiped it out and used the same lid. The other jar in the freezer was clean and with a new lid, and the yeast was fine, and so I am wondering if the tiny residue of coffee could have killed half a pound of yeast. So I ended up with proofed yeast and didn't want to throw it away and ended up making a batch of bread dough, as I had watched Jacques Pepin make breads this morning and thought I might try his technique. He let his dough rise for an hour and a half, gently deflated it, and then let it rise again overnight in the fridge. I though that this sounded like a good idea, and I wanted to try kneading dough by hand on my new countertop, since it is quartz and food-grade - plus I had just washed it for the photos. First I made the dough in a bowl using a long silicon spoon and then turned it out onto the counter to knead. It was so much easier to knead on my new counter that I was completely amazed. I had intended to make puff pastry on this counter (when it gets cool, which it hasn't yet), and in the past, I had always kneaded dough on a large board that would always slide around. What a different the new counter makes! I may go back to making bread by hand now, although I might still use the bread machine in hot weather - at least until we get central A/C. The mystery continues... Lars Here is a link that might be useful: Will coffee kill bread yeast...See MoreRed Star Active Dry Yeast has Changed?
Comments (45)Most rapid rise yeast has Ascorbic Acid added to make it rise faster, it is basically vitamin C. I'm fine with that. I don't know if the funky smell and too rapid rise (for active dry yeast ) was from the additive or the new process they are using. I don't think they are adding corn syrup, but from the article Robin quoted above, it sounds like they are actually using the corn syrup to make the yeast. "Yeasts are grown in the industry in big tanks with sugary water in the presence of oxygen. When the desired amount of yeast is reached the liquid is pumped out, and the yeast is then dried. Nothing else is added in the production of yeast." I found this after searching on the Internet. So I would guess instead of using a sugar/water solution, Red Star now uses corn syrup to grow their yeast. I just can't understand why they felt they needed to add an emulsifier. I can't say I have ever had a problem with my yeast staying solid. If it worked for so many years I can't see why they would change it. I'm guessing the funky smell is from the corn syrup base they are growing the yeast from, and the undesirably rapid rise is from the emulsifier....See More- last year
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