Kitchen layout help

12 days ago

Would love any advice on this tentative kitchen layout.

Specifically:

* the appliance layout

* prep sink in island (i feel strongly with how much bigger the kitchen will be, a prep sink is important

* window over sink is an area im concerned about. I want a clean look with some wall mounted gold sconces above, but now that i realize we will need blinds or curtains for privacy, im leaning towards no sconces and no floating shelves. But i still want the window to be a wow factor.

* there will be a hood added over the range. How about floating shelves flanking that?

cabinets will be soft white

island will be navy blue

antique gold fixtures

2 large latern pendants over the island

white counter tops

island counter calcutta gold

backsplash will be a mix of varied whites, off whites, and light gray i believe

our current kitchen dining table will be along the half wall separating our kitchen and living room

thank you!

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Kendrah

12 days ago

Appliance layout makes sense to me. Will your prep sink have a disposal in it, or trash pull out nearby? Your windows are more of a wow factor without the shelves. Do you intend for the cabinets to go to the ceiling?

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JAN MOYER
12 days ago
last modified: 12 days ago
Are you after a logical layout, or should we get you a pair of roller skates: )?

You have over six feet to the left of your WOW window. I would put the fridge there, and, you'd not need a prep sink. It would take the fridge away from an entry point as well.

You have placed a dishwasher between cook and sink, so you do NOT want that, either. Better to go left of your sink.

The range wall , same 19' ish as the sink wall, basically seems more than enough for ovens.

The kitchen feels a bit like cabinetry overkill $$$$........and where you have ovens? I would have nothing, allowing you to extend the island a bit..
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I don't know how deep the bay window well is (you said to ignore the measurements -- but the depth & length would be very helpful!) I will say that we did something similar -- we had a table space in front of a shallow bay window in the Kitchen that we grew out of very quickly. We replaced it with a counter-height bay window and ran cabinets across it but not in the bay itself. The counter did extend into the bay, but not the cabinets. We have approx 24" b/w the back of the sink and the window with an overall depth of 45" from the back of the bay window to the edge of the counter. I have long arms and cannot reach the back window to clean. I can barely reach where the counter meets the window. If yours is as deep or deeper, I recommend doing one of two things: Eliminate the bay window altogether & replace with a window similar to the other one in your Kitchen -- but at counter-height, not raised. Replace the bay with a box window that is no deeper than the side windows and straighten out the side windows (i.e., no angle) What is feasible and/or worth the cost will depend on the structure of your home. E.g., is the bay cantilevered past the rear wall of the house (ours is) or is the bay an integral part of the back wall? What is the exterior of your home where the bay window is -- brick, siding, etc.? Given the amount of changes you're talking about, I think you will be better off replacing the cabinets so you're not jury-rigging them to force them to fit where they were never meant to fit. BTW...if you have a full basement under the Kitchen (or even a crawl space), it usually doesn't cost all the much to move plumbing. Regarding the range -- if you plan to put it under a window, then you should switch to electric from gas. Check your local Code, but I'm not sure you're allowed to put a gas range in front of a window that opens and/or you may be required to have at least 12" b/w the window and the range. I'm not an expert and no one can tell you for certain what is/is not Code in your locality without knowing where you live (country, state, county, and, sometimes, town). I recommend you research whether there are any restrictions in your area. It's also possible there is no Code to prevent it -- but that doesn't mean it's a good idea! E.g., with gas, an open window could blow out the flame while the gas continues to flow; the flame could be "distorted" by a breeze coming in, which would affect cooking; if you keep the wood trim around the window, it could be a fire hazard. Definitely no curtains or other flammable item too close by! Also think about cleaning -- grease splatters, etc., on the window. Have you considered moving the range to the bay window area instead of the sink? It would allow you to have plenty of space b/w the window and the range and give you space for the range hood that you'll need. Just don't have an operable bay window If you would like more help, a fully-measured layout is needed. The one you posted only has a few of the necessary measurements. Here's an example of what we need: Also see the "New to Kitchens? Read Me First!" thread.
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Gave this a whirl. The "plans" that were shown to you are giving a false impression of what you can do here. There was no ref in that plan and the room is not big enough across to fit an island with 3 people seated across ( 132 - 84 " island - walk space in front of bedroom door 36" = 12" left for the other walkways and those cabinets showing on the wall shared with the teen bedroom! For that mudroom area - move the door to the teen bedroom all the way to one side or the other - it is interrupting the wall which will affect the storage. Plan on a pantry in there or the laundry for kitchen overflow. The kitchen window isn't centered - not sure if you can move it to help make a better layout Here is my attempt at something that might work You could swap the ref and the stove, but then the tv couldn't go there. Get some graph paper and drawer the room to scale. Cut out pieces for furniture, appliances etc to scale and see what you can come up with. Good luck!
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Katie S
Original Author
12 days ago
@kendrah yes planning to do disposal ane pull out for prep sink. Thanks!
Katie S
Original Author
12 days ago
@Jan Moyer The reason we didnt want the fridge to the left of the sink is because walking in from the front hallway, thats all you would see. Will definitely think about it though, thank you!
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JAN MOYER
12 days ago
Get a Sub Zero, clad the fridge to match cabinetry, and ELIMINATE some of the other cabinetry you may not need.

Everyone is best at something. S.Z is best at cooling
Kendrah
12 days ago
What is your appliance budget? If you can easily afford a subzero, it is the way to go. The fridge is the first thing you see upon entering my home. Previous owners had a piece of junk stainless Bertazzoni fridge. I replaced it wil a subzero, panel front, with gorgeous brass handles. Makes all the difference. Subzeros are tanks. But also cost a small fortune.

If you keep the fridge in its current location, I’d consider elimination the tall pantry to the left and making that uppers and lowers with counter space. It will reduce the fortress like feel of all that tall cabinetry and lighten things up a bit.

Also, what do you intend to store in the tall cabinets to the left of the wow sink? Could you make them uppers, sitting directly on top of lowers with a sliver of countetop material running through them at countertop height to help reduce the fortress like feel of those too?
anj_p
12 days ago
If you use ovens a lot, consider a range. Having a double oven stack out of the way makes using the ovens a bit of a pain. Ask me how I know. And I don't use my ovens that much. If you really want a cooktop/double oven scenario, consider moving the double ovens closer to the cooktop.

You also should move the prep sink to the other side of the island so you have landing space for the fridge and ovens on your island.

Do not install open shelves next to your hood unless you get a crazy awesome hood with high CFM and makeup air. You will end up with greasy shelves and greasy everything on the shelves otherwise. At least, you will if you ever cook with oil (some people only boil water on the stoves so YMMV). My hood is decent (600 CFM) and I still have to wipe down my cabinets from time to time.
kandrewspa
12 days ago
How many inches between the island and the range wall? Should be 48". NKBA says minimum of 42", but 48" is better. In a kitchen of this size you shouldn't be skimping on this spacing.
Katie S
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11 days ago
@kandrewspa yes there’s about 48”
3katz4me
11 days ago
If you don't move the fridge or buy a SZ, I would recommend making the fridge surround and the cabinetry to the right of it deep enough to accommodate a full depth refrigerator. Cabinet depth refrigerators are so limiting and in most cases there's no reason why the fridge cabinetry can't be deep enough to accommodate full depth. My house has relatively inexpensive custom cabinetry but someone was smart enough to make a 30" deep fridge surround rather than 24" and I love them for it. I just bought a second home with cabinet depth - grrrrr.....
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Rachiele Custom Sinks
10 days ago
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I made a 60 second video regarding considerations when planning walkway dimensions in a kitchen. I hope this helps someone! See it here.

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