I don't wish cancer or death on anyone, but I'm not shedding any tears for OJ.

Even back to his college years, I never liked him. I think many people respected his ability on the football field only and disliked his persona. Long before the media orgy of his trial and thereafter.

Ditto what Suzieque and Elmer said.

I hope he gets EXACTLY what he deserves.

Yes CNN seems to focus on his football/acting. Too much coverage for him IMHO.

My Mother in law died in 2019 we found out she collected OJ junk. It all went into the dumpster except for two OJS board games. One is somewhat common but the other I've never found and reference to on the internet and still in plastic. It had a copyright to a company I did find but still no reference of the game. Any chance I could sell these games for the price of a cup of coffee? I can't remember the games name and is buried in piles of bins and don't want to look for it.

Yuck to OJ. Sympathy to his children. Peace to the Ron Goldman family.

I will never forget the astonished look on lawyer Robert Kardashian’s face when the verdict was read. Very revealing to anyone who didn’t already have a clue.

At least he died with hospice and pain medication, in relative comfort, as opposed to how he slaughtered his victims.

Too bad the trial was so mucked up. Too bad that years later the hat and glove were not tested for his DNA. (And why weren’t they? Not too late. Truth, science and all that good stuff.)

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Kevin, go for it.

The time is right. Donate any proceeds to some domestic violence awareness, prevention cause.

I just remembered — I somewhere in my piles of toss books, I have an unread hardcover book by Marcia ? Clark, Prosecuter with colored photos. I might get $5 for it to donate toward a domestic violence cause.

What I learned from the OJ debacle — yes, indeed parents! You can grow and cultivate a narcissist.

“I will never forget the astonished look on lawyer Robert Kardashian’s face when the verdict was read. Very revealing to anyone who didn’t already have a clue.”

DH and I were just talking about that expression from Kardashian. Total shock and astonishment!

I had no idea he died until this afternoon. I was listening to a radio program and they were recalling all the weirdness surrounding the case and America's obsession with it from the slow-vehicle chase that was broadcast across the country to the 'dancing Ito'...

I have no doubt he was guilty. I was very disappointed when the jury acquitted him, but knew it would happen after furman lied on the stand.

Yay.

As Betty Davis would say, "You should never say bad things about the dead, you should only say good . . . OJ Simpson is dead. Good.”

I saw the slow chase on the 405 freeway because I happened to be crossing that freeway at that time. I believe I was on La Tijera, but it was so long ago that I cannot remember exactly. Anyway, at the time, I had no idea what was going on, but it did look very strange to me.

I thought that the trial was a travesty, which is not that unusual, as trials go - so many times innocent people have been convicted and put away for years, especially before DNA evidence was available.

I was shocked by how many people at work thought he was innocent, and I think his smirk made him look especially evil, but the evidence spoke for itself. Like many wealthy people, he got off because of technicalities - not because of innocence.

I always remember it as we were in Oregon on vacation at the time, had gotten into our hotel room and wanted to check out the news. Lo and behold!

But my bent is that, if a woman tells you she has suffered from domestic violence at the hands of her husband to the point that she says, if I end up dead, he did it, I believe her. Same thing happened in our area to Helle Crafts.

Shoot, even though I knew this, I was so afraid you meant OUR OJ Whew!

I was pretty busy today so only heard a little chatter onthe radio in the car. I heard something about OJ's sentencing and didn't know why they were discussing it. Then later I heard the news. I remember how consumed we were, Dh and I and everyone I knew. I can remember that my mother had come out to stay for the holidays and we had gone shopping that day... I was -driving home when we heard the verdict and we were just stunned.

I remember being so touched by the utter grief and disbelief that I saw when Fred Goldman spoke.

The only consolation was that while OJ got away with it, his life was nothing.

Good bye and good riddance

“I was very disappointed when the jury acquitted him, but knew it would happen after furman lied on the stand.”

Everyone I know was disappointed and shocked. I doubt anything would have changed without Mark Furman. I felt the case was likely decided when they moved the trial from the Valley to LA. I couldn’t help thinking even those who applauded the verdict had to know the truth.

There’s a comment I still recall from a juror post trial when asked about the DNA evidence…”You got DNA and I got DNA. So what?”

"My default is to disbelieve, not believe"

The police didn't believe a woman I knew or didn't care when a boyfriend broke her arm. She tried to file charges but they just took away his guns, and gave them back a week later. I started dating her a few months later and he kept calling her nonstop to come and visit him but I convinced her it was dangerous and she never did, thank god.
A few months later the guy Shoots and killed his new girlfriend who was leaving him and then shot himself. My girlfriend was traumatized and left me because how could she trust any man? I left her alone and a few months later we reunited and married in 1996.
The Victim's name was Jennifer Noack, and the killer's name was Duane F. Arbuckle, it happened in Crystal MN on October 16, 1993.
The only reference I could find was in the Minnesota Coalition for Battered Women.
"Jennifer Noack, 23 Crystal October 16, 1993. Jennifer was shot and killed by her boy friend,Duane F. Arbuckle, who then shot and killed himself. Jennifer had just started a
graduate program at the University of Wisconsin in Eau Claire and worked in the Twin
Cities on weekends. She was breaking up with Arbuckle and had gone to his apartment
to pick up some belongings. When she didn't show up for work on Saturday morning the police were called."

Elmer, I'm not judging you on your comment but 1 in 3 women have faced some type of Physical violence by a partner and a claim of abuse should always be believed by default.

Although I’ve pretty much thought that OJ was guilty of murdering them, my thought now is that he is now dead and will ultimately receive his due, guilty or not.

"My default is to disbelieve, not believe, unproven comments..."

In the case of Nicole Simpson, she had previously reported episodes of domestic violence to the police and he'd been convicted of spousal abuse and threatening to kill her. So her comments were backed up by their prior history. Ex post, she was right to be fearful.

In the case of Helle Crafts, she had hired a private investigator to get evidence so she could divorce her husband. After she disappeared, the police took no interest in the case as her husband had a relationship with the police department. It was the private investigator who found the blood-soaked rug and convinced the police to follow up. It was a fairly famous case as he chopped her body up with a wood chipper and Dr. Henry Lee made his name on the case because of the painstaking forensics needed to prove she was dead. Prior to her death, she'd told multiple people that if something happened to her, it's not an accident. Ex post, she was right to be fearful.

"Has it been your experience that deliberately untruthful accusations of physical violence or other wrong doings never happen?"

One need not go to "never" as there have been instances on both sides. However, in my experience, I do know of women who have suffered from DV. I don't know any who have lied about it. But if a woman has suffered from DV to the point where she fears for her life and then ends up dead, it suggests she had reason to be suspicious. The data suggests that over half of murders are caused by someone the victim knows. So odds alone point in that direction.

Re DV, there was another famous case in our area that led to changes in how police departments respond to such cases. This event took place after many months of calls to the police, requests for protective orders, etc. because of his violence. From wikipedia re the Tracey Thurman case:

"On June 10, 1983, Buck arrived at the house Tracey was staying at and demanded to see her. Tracey remained inside and contacted the police. Fifteen minutes later, with no officer in sight, Tracey exited the house to speak to Buck.[2] It was 25 minutes after Tracey's call until a single officer arrived, who sat in his car while Buck chased Tracey, grabbed her by the hair, and stabbed her 13 times.[1][5]

The officer eventually exited the car and took the knife from Buck but made no effort to arrest him. While the officer watched, Buck kicked Tracey in the head several times, breaking her neck. Buck then ran into the house, grabbed Charles Jr. and took him outside. Buck dropped Charles Jr. on Tracey's limp body and once again kicked her in the head.[2]

Roughly 40 minutes after the police arrived, Tracey was loaded into an ambulance. Only after Buck attempted to enter the ambulance and attack both paramedics and Tracey again was he finally arrested.[1][2]

She survived, but not without permanent paralysis and injury but did sue and win against the city. It also led to legal changes which now require the police to make arrest in DV cases even if the victim doesn't want to press charges.

Racial tensions were quite high in those years following the Rodney King beating and the subsequent riots. I was living in Burbank at the time and, like @chloebud, felt there would be little chance that Simpson would be convicted in an L.A. court room by a predominantly black jury, especially where every moment was shown on television. Once the veracity of Mark Furhman’s testimony was called into question, the prosecution’s case was severely undermined.

I know elmer will want to jump all over me for doing an internet search for data (horrors!!) I came across an interesting report when men murder women:

. 92% of female murder victims knew their male killers

. 61% were murdered by an intimate partner

There's a difference between believing someone and proving what they said true in a court of law. Even in "he said, she said", someone is telling the truth. I don't think anyone goes into an investigation without a bias. But one should be open to changing one's mind as the facts unfold during that investigation.

But when a woman who suffers a history of domestic violence, is so scared for her life that she tells others, and then ends up murdered? I tend to believe her, given the incontrovertible fact that she's dead.

I read that Caitlyn Jenner’s comment about OJ’s death was ’Good riddance’.

What i did not recall was that Caitlyn, when she was Bruce, was married to Kris K. Kris K’s dad was one of Nicole Simpson’s best friends and Kris’s father unfortunately was on OJ’s defense team. A tricky situation. Interesting stuff but i have to agree with CJ’s comment.

Outside, Robert Kardashian was Kris K’s husband and part of the defense team. Kris and Nicole were good friends. Actually, Robert, Kris, OJ and Nicole were all pretty chummy. Kris later married Bruce Jenner after Robert’s death.

ETA - You’re right regarding “tricky situation.”

" If you want to subjectively accept any and all accusations made by people in relationship ending situations, fine."

I never said that. I wasn't talking about people ending relationships (though murder certainly ends a relationship). You brought that up, I didn't. What I said, again, is: when a woman who suffers a history of domestic violence, is so scared for her life that she tells others, and then ends up murdered, I tend to believe her, given the incontrovertible fact that she's dead.

What percentage of men murdered in their homes did so at the hand of someone they know, or an intimate partner?

This is actually more than one question as people may be murdered by people they know but not necessarily in their home. Perhaps these stats from the Bureau of Justice will help answer your question. According to them, when it comes to being murdered by an intimate partner, women are 5x more likely than men. Women are also more likely than men to be murdered by a nonintimate family member. As far as other violence, 1 in 7 women and 1 in 25 men have been injured by an intimate partner.

"What percentage of men murdered in their homes did so at the hand of someone they know, or an intimate partner?"

The number is high but it's a slow death over many decades and from deliberate constant nagging. So the men just die, because they want to. (hehe lol).

I found the O.J. board game which appears to be very rare, it's called "Play OJ the verdict". Copyright 1994 by a company called borderline Productions Inc.

Players get jailhouse jacket money at "arrest". Players roll dice and must follower instruction on the space landed on. Instructions include; pay atternoney fees $10K, Mistrial motion lose a turn, you need new suit pay $1K, and many more or draw a card. One color are Innocent or guilty and other color moves ahead or back spaces for reasons such as prosecution gets new hairdo.

It's dumb but seems to be very very rare. So rare I've found nothing about it. It's known there are four board games that exist but doesn't include this one. So this is a fifth people don't know about. I'm thinking a starting bid on EBAY of $100,000. It is real.

" I never said that. I wasn't talking about people ending relationships "

What you said was:

" So her comments were backed up by their prior history. "

I suggested you were jumping to a conclusion. The Simpson marriage was coming to an end and so that was the context.

Tell me what your sentence was intended to mean if I got it wrong.

85% of all murderers in the US are male.

OK. What is the gender breakdown of their victims?

C'mon elmer, now you're just being obtuse. I've said it enough times already. You can either agree or disagree. But I'm done.

Chloebud, my mistake. i shouldmgo back and edit mympost but I’m lazy. Yes, i meant to say Kris’ first husband. That surely was hard for her to accept, his defending OJ.

Looks like it's a man problem either way...killing women or killing other men. Hmmm. I wonder who can fix THAT?

I wonder if Nicole and Ron were waiting at the pearly gates for him to try to enter.

Even though he got off, his life was ruined. I hope his children can find peace now.

Outside, I‘m sure Robert Kardashian knew OJ did it, especially being so close to OJ and Nicole’s issues. That look on his face when the verdict was announced said it all.

I have a friend who's a defense lawyer. I asked him once about his work, if he asked clients if they had done what they were accused of and if some said yes, did that scare him?

He said he never asks and doesn't care, because his job as he sees it is to advocate for the accused's position in the best possible light, be credible in front of the jury, and make sure that the police and prosecutors follow the rules as required. And for the second part, he said having clients who were guilty, which he assumed to be most of them, didn't scare him as much as the possibility of having an innocent client convicted.

R. Kardashian in an interview with (? blonde female newsperson) said that yes, he had doubts —- the evidence, labs, blood.

Johnnie Lawyer also knew OJ did it.

Did abhorrent OJ outlive all members of his dream team?

Statics game? Most murderers are men. Most murdered women are murdered by men. Most women are murdered by some one they know. An appaling number of women are murdered by some one they know intimately. Well that is all pretty horrible.

I saw video at the time of her talking about calling the police when OJ beat her up again and how they would show up and schmoozed with him and leave. She had photos of her bruised and battered body in a safe.

The kids were fairly young at the time but the daughter was doubtless old enough to remember the beat downs. I suppose she chose to believe her father didnt do it. I wonder if her opinion has changed as she got older. Tough life.

The trial was a joke. Who uses trainees to collect evidence in a high profile case? Who could make anything of that? Hopeless.

Patriciae, I remember when it became know he was an abuser and Hertz continued to use him as a spokesman. To this day I won't rent cars from them (not that my lack of business really hurts them).

“Did abhorrent OJ outlive all members of his dream team?”

He outlived 3 of 9 attorneys. Johnnie Cochran, F. Lee Bailey and Robert Kardashian have passed away. Robert Shapiro originally led the defense team before Cochran took over.