Layout furniture to scale in the dining and family rooms. Generally I avoid a door to the outside in a living/family room because it tends to limit furniture layout options. If the door to the outside is used a lot a swinging door may work better.

Where will the patio be? Will it wrap around the breakfast room?

Are you putting the table in the same as the length of the room? It's 13 ft - 90" table - that only leaves 33" on each end of the table to get by to the slider in the back wall. That would not be good at all. Also not convenient when you have a lot of guests sitting there. You would need the table to be perpendicular to the long wall. Then if the table is 42-48" x 90 you would have 54 - 57" on each side but would only be 18" from the back wall if you are trying to stay within the 9ft.

Also- as mentioned above - where is the patio?

Here is a rough drawing:

You really need to sort out what your furniture plans are as well when dealing with an open floor plan like this.

To me, doing the table in the brown orientation would be the only way I would set it. It allows everyone to get out of their seats easily. Or you can always rethink the size of the table . An 80 - 90" table sits 8. Maybe do a 60" square - seats 8 and that would leave more room to walk around

Good luck!

I would do this and get rid of the vaulted ceiling in the breakfast area:

Mark, Why a swinging door vs sliding door? Isnt sliding more convenient / takes up less space?

The patio is still up for debate. I currently have it wrapping around the breakfast room, but I thinn i want to change that as well so that the patio doesnt feel disconnected. Here is the initial patio layout but I was thinking longer on the left side would work better

Also, why did you suggest to get rid of the vaulted ceiling?

Hi Debbie - I was thinking to do the table long wise so in line with the shape of the room. i thought having the table perpendicular would look odd. I am going to extend the length of the breakfast room to 14’ which would give me 40” on each side. Is that still too tight for a door on one side?

If people are going to be in and out a lot I would do a hinged door.

Consider adding multiple doors for good flow/access.

Consider the indoor furniture layout as well as the outdoor grill/eating location and furniture layout. Also consider the traffic paths from the kitchen to the grill area, from outdoors to the bathroom, etc.

I think you should first decide on the patio, why you’ll be going out there (to the grill? outdoor dining? entertaining? play in the yard?) and what its layout including furniture will be. And then I would do sliders on the two sides of the nook.

First you do not have space for a 90" table in 13' and still be able to sit I would not do doors in the breakfast area Why a vaulted ceiling in that space ? IMO there is no way to access the patio from the breakfast space at all Maybe I am just not awake but this does not make sense to me at all . If you have atable and chairs in the breakfast space there is no place to access the patio from there . IMO I would not have done a breakfast jut out at all you have stools for breakfast and is that going to be your actual DR ? You want to cook outside then access to the outdoor space needs to make sense and that ideally would be from the kitchen which BTW needs adesign fix too. At least if there was no jut out then the access to the patio would be easy . I hve no idea who designed this house but it just does not make sense to me .

Yes this area will serve as our dining room. We are extending it to 14’.

What do you see wrong with the kitchen?

I'd start by rethinking your kitchen. Appliances shouldn't be more than 9' from one another. Your sink is 18' from your fridge.

Also your island is a barrier between the sink and the fridge.

Normally we take food out of the fridge/pantry, bring it to the sink to rinse, then prep between sink and cooktop without crossing zones.

Where does the door next to the fridge lead to?

You would be better off with an L shaped kitchen layout versus the U you have now.

How does the kitchen relate to the rest of the house?

I would not do a vaulted ceiling in the breakfast area or the kitchen.

Is your patio going to be covered?

Thanks for the input. the door next to the fridge leads to a butlers pantry and enclosed pantry. South of the family room is a mudroom and garage. South of the pantry is a formal living room and office. Only the breakfast room would open to vaulted ceilings with skylights. We thought it would give nice light and add some dimension. Why would you advise against the vaulted?

We are considering a covered patio off of the family room but worried it may block light into the house. And need to look into cost.

Thanks for the input. the door next to the fridge leads to a butlers pantry and enclosed pantry. If you want to keep the fridge where it is, then you really need to add a prep sink to the island

South of the family room is a mudroom and garage.

South of the pantry is a formal living room and office.

Do you need a family room and a formal living room?

Only the breakfast room would open to vaulted ceilings with skylights. We thought it would give nice light and add some dimension. Why would you advise against the vaulted?

Because it's a long and narrow room and the proportions will be off. You're better off making it lower so it feels more intimate.

We are considering a covered patio off of the family room but worried it may block light into the house. And need to look into cost.

You already have an issue with light because the rear of the house faces north. North does not allow for much light.

Is this a custom build or a tract house?

Only addressing the door issue: Definitely place it in the family room. Scootching around the table to reach the door isn't at all practical, especially when people are seated at the table. This looks to be the ONLY back yard access, so it needs to be convenient.

South of the family room is a mudroom and garage.

South of the pantry is a formal living room and office.

Do you need a family room and a formal living room? - Its actually off of the butlers pantry so more of a dining room location, but im going to use it as a sitting room / play room as i have small children. I know its not the most aesthetically pleasing way to use it but think it will be useful for us. I was also told to keep it for resale.

We are considering a covered patio off of the family room but worried it may block light into the house. And need to look into cost.

You already have an issue with light because the rear of the house faces north. North does not allow for much light. - Agree, was thinking the same thing in which case would love to do covered patio and then a living room door would probably make most sense. Need to look into cost though.

Is this a custom build or a tract house? - Custom house

Are you working with a draftsman or an architect?

Would you consider posting the full floor plan and how it sits on the lot?

heres the full lot view

Ideally you would want 48" from the end of the table to the doors. An 80" table would work better or you could even consider a 56-60" round would be great in there instead of something linear. Is this a breakfast room or would it be your dining room? Maybe you don't need as big of a table.

Personally I would offset the breakfast room in favor of a larger patio off of the living room. I would do sliders on both sides of the dining area - one to the larger patio and one to the smaller side for maybe a vegetable garden or something like that.

I'm wondering if you'd be better off with an L shaped house so you'd have more south light entering the house.

My dining room is similar to yours with a slider. Main difference being ours only bumps out of the house 2'.

We have a 60"x45" dining table with an extra leaf that we'll put in if we have company. That extra leaf does make it tight.

I decided on the dining room vs family room since we extended the dining roof peak to have a covered patio. Out swinging doors are not to code here so we have a slider and not double doors.