I hate it too. I wish they would just pick one and stick with it. Federal government does not allow year around Daylight Savings time only Standard.

and so will mine now be correct once again.

Ugh - just as soon as it starts getting dark early, we have to make it even earlier 😒

I've often wondered over the years why it's not reversed, so it wouldn't have to be so dark when people are heading home from work/school during fall & winter...

We're already eating dinner after dark. I am so not ready for this. I'll need to get out the step stool, a flashlight and change the timer on the outdoor garage lights too...they are hard wired on the inside garage wall just out of my comfortable reach. They had been motion activated when we bought the house and I wanted them changed to a set clock timer, expecting something I could take down and hold in my hand. That's not what I got 😂

Sam the dog will want to go out at 5:30 once we are back to standard time.

I love falling back. Detest springing forward. Make it one or the other and be done with it!

We change tonight. I hate it. It's already dark at 5.30 here on an overcast day. Tomorrow it'll be 4.30. ☹️

Floral, when traveling in Europe in the fall i never knew what time it was between the time zones and starting standard time before the US.

" when traveling in Europe in the fall i never knew what time it was "

Set your smartphone to "system time" (or "automatically"). Even if you have no mobile signal and use it only with Wifi, it should give you correct local time. Western Europe is one hour ahead of Portugal, the UK and Ireland. Beyond that, it isn't too confusing unless you travel farther east.

I don't really care which one they choose, but I wish they wouldn't switch back and forth twice a year.

Well since I never sleep, it doesn't really matter to me. I'm super lucky if I sleep 5-6 hours a night. They can change it, not change it, doesn't really matter to me.

Rob, that's not healthy. Have you tried Melatonin?

We are early birds, so if they left the clocks as they are now, on those short winter days, the sunrise would not be until 9:00 am and that's just too late. We are up before 5 am at our house.

They can change it, not change it, doesn't really matter to me.

ditto

I remember when they tried to make DST permanent and it didn't last long as people complained about children going to school in the dark and such.

I cannot tell you the number of things that I've tried judi; thank you for asking. I'm not interested in taking the medications that cause you not to remember things (Lunesta, Sonata, and Ambien) though. My physician and I have been through everything we can think of. It's been like this for 20 years. Does not matter what level of stress I have. We've tried everything!!!

It's just been sort of left at, not everybody needs the same amount of sleep. Doesn't make it any less frustrating.

I agree with Arkansasgirl. I am not a particularly early riser, but I want (need!) to see sunlight in the morning. Sunrise at 9am midwinter would be so depressing! To me there is not much difference between sunset at 5 or 6 - dinner hours, so not outside anyway (especially in winter.)

I suppose where you live makes a difference in how you feel about it. I do remember, when I was working night shift in San Diego, that I would see the sky starting to lighten around 0345 am, just before the change to DST.

I hate the time change too. It's funny, though - I don't remember that we had DST when I was a kid, but I remember being out late on summer evenings. Maybe it was actually dark, and I just remember it as still being rather light outside.

“San Diego, that I would see the sky starting to lighten around 0345 am, just before the change to DST.”

I don’t think that sounds right. More like 6::00 to 6:15, depending on the date. Then 7:00 or so.

I hate the change because it will start getting dark way too early for me. Being retired, I like sleep late occasionally and it is hard when the sun rises at 5 am.

Outside, the sun will not rise at 5 am during the winter months, believe me! As it is even with the longest days being at this beginning of standard time, it will be sunrise at 6:30 for a short time. When it gets to be the shortest days, it will be sunrise and barely daylight at 8am.

I like the time change in the fall as we are early risers. I remember in the 1970's they tried not changing the time back and it was very dark for awhile waiting for our school bus on a dark country road. I wish they'd go back to 6 months of each. Seems like my body just gets used to the fall back and they spring forward comes about.

Where you live in the time zones, if you live in the bottom or top of them, your daylight is different. These are some examples for today's length of daylight:

Sunrise and sunset · Ironwood, Michigan · October 29

7:37 AM & 5:50 PM

Daylight 10 hours, 13 minutes

Sunrise and sunset · Little Rock, Arkansas · October 29

7:26 AM & 6:18 PM

Daylight 10 hours, 52 minutes

Sunrise and sunset · San Diego, California · October 29

7:03 AM & 6:00 PM

Daylight 10 hours, 57 minutes

Sunrise and sunset · Seattle, Washington · October 29

7:48 AM & 5:56 PM

Daylight 10 hours, 8 minutes

It also matters where, east or west, in the time zone you live. Both are EDT for 10/29:

Sunrise/sunset and daylight hours

Montauk NY: 7:15 am/5:48 pm 10hr 33min

Bloomington IN: 8:10 am/6:49 pm 10hr 39min

i hate it because i avoid driving in the dark whenever possible. i am 99% hermit and don't go many places but once it starts getting dark at 4:30 pm, i will become 100% hermit.

my dogs will start hovering and pestering for supper at 5:30 instead of 6:30. what a pain!!

the ONLY good thing about it is that i'm reminded to change the batteries in my smoke alarms since i do that with every time change.

I remember going to a wedding in Cincinnati in June. It didnt get dark until nearly 10 pm. Since i live at the other side of the Eastern time zone, it felt strange.

Im another one who tries not to drive at night, so I prefer Daylight Saving. Maybe i should move to Cincinnati.

Where I grew up, days were not as short in the winter.

Austin TX Oct 29:

Sunrise: 7:43, Sunset: 6:47

Length of day: 11 hr, 3 min.

Length of visible light: 11 hr 53 min.

After moving from Austin to San Francisco, I was shocked at how early the days ended in December, but then the sun would go down earlier because of the Twin Peaks. However, I hated long summer days in Texas and felt daylight savings was not needed there. Arizona had the right idea.

Ii don't really care what the clock says. The sun is going to set when it sets and rise when it rises. That being said, the darkness s what I hate most about winter.

I do get SAD in the winter and I dislike the short days, but while darkness doesn't do anything for me, a night sky full of stars, planets and the moon always lifts my spirit.

I prefer being on "standard" time -- I sleep SO much better.

I know it's scientifically impossible, but I do wish that instead of global warming, we were getting more global sunlight. I've never visited any of the "midnight sun" countries, but I'd really like to check it out.

We were in Alaska in June and I woke up at 2am and looked out across the river to the other side of the mountain where I could clearly see a train going by. It was twilight...never really dark. But the flip side is you get very little daylight in the winter. Ugh.

I live in north central Alberta. On the shortest day of the year we get about 7,5 hours of sunlight and on the longest day we get about 18 hours of sunlight. The difference has never bothered me, nor has DST. I guess I’m lucky.😀

Now that I’m retired I just do what needs to be done in daylight hours during daylight hours and the time on the clock doesn’t matter. I just like thinking that I will be around to see the sunrise the next day, no matter what time it is.

Winter darkness is highly underrated IMO.

Noooooooooooo! ;(

Time changes either way don't bother me much. I can get used to it in a few days.

This year the time changes on the day my Chiefs play a game in Frankfurt, Germany at 8:30 am CT. At least my body will think that it's 9:30 am :-). Bloody Mary anyone!

I love “Falling Back”! Don’t lke “Springing Forward”!

Thanks for the reminder, we were just discussing that last night. Changing the clocks doesn't bother either of us as we are early risers. And this year it will actually work out for me. I leave the house at 7:15 five mornings a week to head to the pool. So on those cold winter days at least it won't be dark too.

Elmer, I double checked what I recalled, and yes, back in 1980-2 (the time period that I was referring to) DST didn't start until April 25. Astronomical Twilight - when the sky starts to lighten - started at 0341; nautical twilight (when the horizon is visible) at 0414. This was in La Jolla.

I found different data, but no matter. As an almost lifelong California resident, and a SoCal resident at that time, I don't remember any sunrise ever before 5 am.

FWIW, astronomical twilight being referred to occurs before dawn. It's the first faint lightening in the east before the sun actually rises into view.

I remember winter nightfall by 4 pm when I lived in NYC for college, which was a bit of a culture shock after 18 years in FL. OTOH, I thought the snow flurries at night in the city were beautiful 😊

If I were retired, DST probably wouldn't bug me so much, but I hate leaving work in the dark. I don't like night time driving either.

Sunrise is the coldest part of the day here. I don't care whether it's light or dark in the morning. But the low temps are miserable for this California girl. I hate being cold. I started my morning at the ranch at 37 degrees today. Bundled up like Nanook of the North. An hour later it hit 50 and rose from there into the low 70s. I can't wait for next week to get that extra hour of warmup time. I'm tired of packing boots, shoes and flipflops and 3 different levels of outerwear.

I don't mind driving in the dark. Beats having the sun in your eyes or driving at dusk. I've been known to drive late at night on longer drives to avoid traffic.

I love DST in the Spring and summer. Our commutes here are long and it's nice for working people to enjoy the outdoors in the cooler but still balmy evenings.

Sleep wise time changes don't bother me at all. I don't have a consistent bedtime and the hours of sleep I get vary anyway. It seems like people who claim it takes them weeks to adjust must never have traveled outside their time zone. I don't know a single adult who lives by the clock to where it should matter all that much. Never stay up late. Never rise early for a special event or appointment? Never go to bed early? That seems odd to me.

I have hated the change either way for as long as I can remember

So how about splitting the difference? It does not have to be an hour. Time is man made so why not just split the hour and give a half to each side? Where I live now as in way north of Seattle we have some of the longest nights or in summer the longest days in the US if we leave out Alaska. A half hour makes no difference for them. But for us a whole hour in winter means dark till 9am if you go with DST So have some pity here. Why not just give a half hour each way. Who is going to notice?

Here is a chart for next Monday, Nov 6, in our location. We are about an hour west of the Eastern time zone. Technically the full sunrise doesn’t occur until around 6 am but the astronomical and nautical sunrises for example are much earlier and that is when most can ’see’ daylight in the sky.

So yes, @arkansas girl, I may have exaggerated slightly, but the point is, the sunrise change does affect my sleep.

Interesting article from the NYT regarding the origin of DST, and what’s good and bad about it. I did not realize so much of the world does not participate.

NYT re DST

I think notion of what sunrise is, as it's used and commonly understood, is rather clear. Sunrise and sunset data are provided by the National Weather Service and other information sources and stick to I guess what those focused on technical pedantry would say is when the sun is at the horizon. Not the timing of twilight.

I think most people understand that there's twilight at the beginning and end of the day as the sun begins to appear and and then depart but does anyone really care or pay attention to it? I don't think so. I believe for most, sunrise is sunrise.

Those with a brain and common sense do care about and notice dusk. It's the most dangerous time to be driving.

An especially ironic failed insult from this source.

Scratching my head trying to figure out why anyone would want to quibble about 'sunrise' when raee didn't even use that word in her first comment - nor was it implied, as I read it.