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Does Anyone Grow the Texas Roses from the Antique Rose Emporiun?

ingrid_vc zone 10 San Diego County

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I would think that these roses would be wonderful for gardeners in the US Southwest, but I wonder if anyone here, from whatever zone, has tried these roses. I used to have Cole's Settlement and Sweet Frances but the former was eaten completely and the latter lasted less than a season. I have both of them again now in addition to Star of the Republic. I'd love to hear comments and see photos if anyone has these and/or any of the other Texas roses. They appeal to me because they have a slightly wilder and more informal look to them which assorts rather well with antique roses but would probably also do well planted among modern roses in a border, for instance, to lend a more relaxed look to the entire scheme.

This is Sweet Frances, before her unfortunate demise. I'd love to think that by next summer I'll have another one like her.

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Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR

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That is beautiful Ingrid. I have Star of the Republic and love the rose. I placed it next to Colette and Evelyn. I had to move it away from a greedy Arizona Cypress tree so it is not mature.

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ingrid_vc zone 10 San Diego County
Original Author
last year
Oh my gosh, that is beautiful, Sheila. I really like the leaves also which don't have the usual generic rose leaf look. The rose in the background seems too pink to be either Evelyn or Colette, or am I wrong? At any rate I'd like it shipped to my garden.
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Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
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The backround one is Colette, Ingrid. It seems Star is more toward yellow peach and Colette is pink peach.
Diane Brakefield
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I have just a short statement about ARE. Twig Darby is still a twig. I love your roses, Sheila. Do you have more photos of Evelyn and Colette? Where did you get those two? Diane
SylviaWW 9a Hot dry SoCal
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I hVe Rockwell Sesquicentennial and I love it. it’s been in a pot for four years, grows to about 2’ high,and has wonderful cream roses that turn pink in cooler weather. I’m in triple-digit land and Rockwell, given of course that it’s watered, will do fine there. Mine is in a patio that gets afternoon shade.

Personally I like its fragrance, but it may not be to everyone’s taste.

The bloom is about 3-4” wide wide, and i believe it is thornless,
Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
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I think I got own root Colette from Northland Rosarium, Diane. My Evelyn on this South side is ownroot from Heirloom. It moved from my inner courtyard sand with Leyland Cypress root invasion because of it's pathetic starvation. It then had roots eaten by gophers within a few months and had to spend 8 months in a pot growing new roots. I replanted it in a gopher basket next to Star of the Republic which had also moved from a bad spot. The Colette has not had trauma. I'll try to find a couple photos.

Colette

Colette in front of Star of the Republic

Evelyn after trauma bravely keeping calm and carrying on.

La France saying Hi to Ingrid.

Evelyn will be really coming on next Spring.
Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
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This is the same Evelyn by this September.
ingrid_vc zone 10 San Diego County
Original Author
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Oh my goodness, I was so very happy to see your beautiful La France, Sheila. When my new one is more than a bunch of little twigs it will be waving happily back at you. All your roses are outstanding and I have to think it's just that they're so darn happy to be in your garden.

Sylvia, I had been eying Rockwell Sesquicentennial and am glad that you're happy with yours in what appear to be trying temperatures. All the roses I've ordered will be in late afternoon shade which nowadays in my garden is the only place I dare to put them. Toward the end of my previous garden even roses that had very adequate drip watering that were in the sun deteriorated over time until the ground squirrels mercifully put an end to their existence.

Sheila, I can't help it, I keep scrolling back up to and enlarging the photo of La France. I feel such an emotional connection with that rose, probably because it's such an unmistakably and quintessential old rose, with all the romance and charm that goes with that. I'm thrilled that you have her.
starmade
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I have killed lots of pioneer roses, but they are too beautiful not to go on trying. Roses that do best in my yard in Houston grow like tea roses, very slow and steady at first, might not do much in the first few years while the roots are biting down but then suddenly you see they have made it and are happy. Some roses seem happy and flowery after they are put in, in winter or early spring, then kick the bucket when the heat cranks up in summer, so I'd rather have a slow steady grower. It takes three years before I feel it is safe to say a rose has "made it" in my yard. So far the only pioneer rose to have "made it" is Star of the Republic, which has been in place now maybe 5 years, blooms reliably and increasingly heavily in spring with pretty foliage too; mostly dormant in summer, with some showing in fall. So beautiful when it does bloom, large flowers and a scent that is lovely and unusual. More recent purchases are still on trial. I got three in spring 2021:: Gypsy Sue, Crawfish Etouffee and Brazos Belle. Gypsy Sue is growing slowly, flower is pretty, a delicate pale apricot, have not seen many of them yet but I'll be happy if it lives. Crawfish Etouffee is in my "hot colors" bed.. I have seen only a few flowers which are a deep, ineffable, distinctive and to-die-for shade of warm red, I do hope it lives. Brazos Belle is still in its nursery pot because it is such a chili thrips magnet, I have wanted to keep it away from the other roses. I am on the fence about it. It is always ugly with small deformed leaves and few flowers, also pale and deformed--not sure if I'll keep it, though I would love to see it put out even one nice flower. Houston is tough for any kind of rose though and I've killed many roses that are not Pioneer roses and many plants that are not roses too.
ingrid_vc zone 10 San Diego County thanked starmade
Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
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Sheila, I agree with Ingrid that your Lafrance is a wonderful rose.

You really have some gorgeous roses set off by that beautiful sky.
ingrid_vc zone 10 San Diego County
Original Author
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starmade, I appreciate hearing about your experience. Since I have Star of the Republic I'm glad that yours is a success, although I gather that tea roses do better for you. They also do really well here, but I wanted to branch out a bit and try the Texas roses again. In the final analysis only one's personal experience is reliable, but it's always interesting to find out how others have fared with the same rose.
seasiderooftop
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Sheila, your roses are all so gorgeous and healthy looking! I love the deep colors of the heart of your Evelyn, and she's growing beautifully! I join the chorus of praise for your La France ! Star of the Republic and Colette have such luscious blooms!

Wow what a fantastic collection!!

Sylvia, it's so great to read your review of Rockwell Sesquicentennial! I've had my eye on that one for a long time, and I'm happy to read that she's container-friendly. If I ever find a seller in Europe I would love to add her!
ingrid_vc zone 10 San Diego County
Original Author
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I happened upon an old thread here on the Pioneer roses which extolled Thomas Affleck. and I just now ordered one! I have a lot of paler roses and really no very deep pink roses, unless Lauren and Reine de Violettes tend toward that shade in my climate, so a hunky great bush like Thomas should lend considerable impact.
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
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@ingrid_vc zone 10 San Diego Countyi, I was thinking I only had two of these great roses, but now realizses I probably have four, including te wonderful Thomas Affleck! Its a really great rose here with excellent health and vigor. Of course, we get a lot of rain!Star of the Republic is also another star! Here, it has a lankier growth habit, so Ive rested it against my metal front fence where she intermingnles with Purple Skyliner. Brazos Bell is a myuch shorter, more horizontally growing rose. Its been beset with midge so not the bloomer id hoped, but that may not be the case if I treated her. I now disbud and treat all my roses to be sure the are midge free, :(( Ill post a pic in a bit because this rose is really lovely with a beautiful fruity fragrance that suits the flower. One other I grow is Caroline Hunt. While shes a BS magnet here, shes still a good bloomer with very unusual and charming flowers. Shes remained quite short. Not much fragrance, but I dont pay her so much mind as I do my taller roses. Wish someone else grew her for comparison. The above post is the first mention Ive read for Brazos Belle, as well.
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Vaporvac, I also grow Caroline Hunt. It’s very healthy until mid-summer and then drops about half of its leaves. I don’t spray or fertilize, and it’s not well mulched or regularly watered, but I would guess it would perform better if I showed it more kindness. I actually really like this rose. Interesting, bright pink fowers that to me have a gorgeous fragrance. They have such pretty white speckles and streaks that add a nice contrast. I have several of ARE’s pioneer and trailblazer roses.
weekend gardener
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More Caroline Hunt after a downpour.
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
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Your pics have capured her colour and charm perfectly!
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
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Brazos Belle.
ingrid_vc zone 10 San Diego County
Original Author
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Both Caroline Hunt and Brazos Belle are beautiful roses. I have to say I appreciate these roses that have fewer petals; they definitely have a charm of their own. Am I right in thinking that Caroline Hunt bears some similarity to Thomas Affleck?
User
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That’s beautiful! Hows the repeat on your Star of the Republic? HMF says scattered later blooms, but it looks like a rose that reblooms More.
starmade
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It reblooms when there is abundant water.
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
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hat is also my experience. It is a constant bloomer rather than blooming in large flushes here.
Patrick-7a-MD
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I have STAR OF THE REPUBLIC that the ARE introduced in 1998. I had wanted EVELYN but the Brits decided to make her extinct because the rose was no longer under patent, so STAR was a substitution. I'm not sorry. The rose established itself very quickly own root and the first year gave me spring, summer, and autumn flushes with a few blooms between cycles. This was a worry of mine because I had read posts on this forum how her repeat bloom was a disappointment. Well not in my garden. The color is gorgeous too, an apricot pink blend. Flower form isn't as perfect as Evelyn but you get better foliage that is more resistant to black spot. Fragrance isn't as delicious either but is still strong and very pleasant. Another thing I like about Star of the Republic is the smooth canes. This rose is virtually thornless. I am really looking forward to seeing what it will do in the Spring. I like it so much that I'm ordering another.

My growing conditions: USDA Zone 7a. We got four seasons with hot, humid summers. Raised flower bed against western side of house. Perfect soil because I basically dug a pit down 5 feet, lined with stone, and filled with loamy purchased garden soil with balanced pH (this was done back in the day when I had a young body).
ingrid_vc zone 10 San Diego County
Original Author
last year
Patrick, that's really good to hear about Star of the Republic, and I'm looking forward to hopefully seeing the first blooms on mine next spring/summer. I'm happy to hear about the nice foliage and almost smooth canes. I'm in inland San Diego County and SotR will hopefully be happy here.

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