Anyone growing Hosta venusta or 'Kinbotan'?
In 2018 I picked up a plant labeled H. venusta from a local nursery and my main reason for reaching for it was that it was sporting. I have since grown it on and divided it twice and the variegated form is viridescent. At flowering time the variegation has gone decidedly green and by the end of the season it has darkened to the point where you can no longer distinguish any variegation at all. It's quite vigorous and have started to refer to it provisionally as 'Kinbotan' but that name applies to a venusta seedling, not a sport of the specie. There is no indication that 'Kinbotan' is viridescent that I can find although one of the pictures in the HL does show a green variegation as opposed to the mostly cream you see in the other pictures. If indeed what I have is venusta then it would appear as if I have an as yet unnamed sport.
Here are a few pictures. The first one is from late April and the variegation is creamy.
Here is the same pot shot just a few minutes ago and notice how the creamy variegation has gone almost green.
This plant has put up a scape and there are buds but no flowers as yet. The 2nd pot I have is in a different location and it's a 2-gallon pot so it's a larger plant and it's in bloom.
I have not been able to find any pictures other than what's in the HL of the Kinbotan flowers and it does rather look like what I have but my flowers look somewhat different from what's being shown under venusta and that's what I supposedly have. And I say supposedly because this after all was labelled as being venusta. It's a fair question as to indeed that's what I have, the flowers give me concern.
Pieter
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steve duggins(Z6a) - Central Ohio
last yearPieter zone 7/8 B.C. thanked steve duggins(Z6a) - Central OhioRelated Discussions
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Comments (16)Wow Zafo, I'm certain your right, 1. and 5. are both Montana Aureo Marginata's. #18 does look like both Gold Standard and Pauls Glory. As I'm looking at the leaves closely it appears to me that the blue on the outside edge of the leaves stays on the outside edge only with Gold Standard. With Pauls Glory, the blue is also on the outside edge BUT, also kind mixes in more toward the center of the leave. It's seems to have a less defined blue edge. So, I think it's Pauls Glory. This Hosta gets VERY LITTLE light so the gold coloration really does not show up where I have it planted. #12, thats it, I do believe it is Venusta. So is #3. I split it a couple times. Believe me, I checked Venusta's picture against mine 2 other times but, for some reason refused to see it as so. I don't know why I missed this. Great, thats got to be it. #9, has got to be the same as #2. I just went out and looked, I can't tell them apart. So it must be Blue Cadet. Believe it or not, most of these are 5 years mature barring a move from one spot to another. Several are in locations where they get much too little sun and barely enough water. Well, I'm making progress. Heres what I have. 1 Montana Aureo Marginata 2. Blue Cadet 3. Venusta 4.Lancifolia 5. Montana Aureo Marginata 6. Venticosa 7. Golden Tiara 8. 9. Blue Cadet 10. Lancifolia 11. Sum and Substance or fried bananas? 12. Venusta 13. Lemon Lime 14. Halcyon 15. Halcyon 16. Lancifolia 17.Lancifolia 18. Paul's Glory That #8 is still a mystery. I do think it might have HVX. It does get enough sun and water. I'll have to go out and take a better picture soon. Thank you VERY much for the help. I can't believe I couldn't see some of them for what they are when looking in the Hosta Library. Those extra sets of eyes were GREAT. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. Any ideas for number 8.? Dan...See MoreTop 10 'Must-Have' Hostas
Comments (54)Follow up to last years posting (above). Last fall I discovered a burrow going through my raised bed (yes you read that right) with no entrance seen. VERY early professional (pest control) guess' say it's a Mole. We'll see how many survive from the list above. Empress Wu performed spectacularly last year, but my Gorgon and Sum and Substance where held back by this unexpected visitor. Peter Kelley - St. Paul, MN USA Follow my adventures in hosta growing at HostasByKelley...See MoreDwarf and mini hosta in pots or bowls
Comments (3)I went and got my wide bowl pot all ready and ran out to pick up some minis. Didn't have any at the nursery and I came home with a biggie in a 5 gallon pot and a concrete angel. lol. Then I was going to repot the biggie into a larger pot, but it was so much work getting it out of the 5 g. pot I said "no way - I'll plant it". Then when it took me 3 hours to dig the hole in the hard, dry dirt with a post-hole digger, for which it took me 2 days to recover: well here we go with minis in a pot gardens again. Now you'uns got my juices flowing again. A month ago I was at a local that had several mouse ears and some others. Might just go out and peak. Oh well, I get my ss check in a week so maybe my budget won't suffer so badly. Shame on you people for throwing temptations at me like this. lol Les...See MoreHosta Survival
Comments (67)"meristem" ... a new word for me; had to look it up! Having a success rate of 90% and edging towards 96% is truly good news. The real challenge now is to replicate that success NEXT year. Although I will be discussing this further in my own blog HostasByKelley during my June 2014 (Second Edition) I think the real success came because the garden went to bed dry and entered spring dry as well. The suspected good drainage actually seems to be there. The new part of my equation seems to be that I have to recognize that hosta comes up in waves which approximately coincide with 10 degree increments of (F) temperature. In the next two weeks or so we'll see how far that theory goes with both Little Devil and the replanted rhizome segments, The temperature will reaches into the 80's (reminds everyone that he MN spring / early summer has been ... weird with cooler than expected temperatures). Finally for those who talked about crown rot I am still not dismissing that as part of my problem. That 'syndrome' can effect any perennial newly planted or well established. Peter Kelley St. Paul, MN USA...See MorePieter zone 7/8 B.C.
last yearDebra, the most common rhizomatous hosta I can think of would be clausa. From what I gather it can be a bit of a thug in the garden, more or less on par with Lily of the Valley in that respect. I do have one form of clausa and like most of my hostas it's in pots and I can attest to its growth habit as I regularly end up with a runner out of the drainage holes.
A few years ago I un-potted one and just look at the length of that runner, must be over 2 ft.
Pieter
nicholsworth Z6 Indianapolis
last yearlast modified: last yeardebra..I have both Venusta and Clausa..it's Clausa that I'm STILL digging out..getting rid of Clausa seems hopeless 🙁..the term that I saw referring to Clausa is stoloniferous..Clausa is my only hosta that spreads like crazy..
some pics of Venusta today..I intended to take pics when the scapes were new..they were so dainty and adorable..Venusta has grown since I planted it but nothing like Clausa..
a pic standing over it..
a pic from ground level..
an old pic of Clausa..it really is a thug..Pieter zone 7/8 B.C. thanked nicholsworth Z6 IndianapolisPieter zone 7/8 B.C.
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5
last yearfeel like cleu-so this morning ...
here is the only pic if have of kinbotan
i swear it had other names ...
i did have venusta.. but apparently it ws so uninspiring i never took a pic of it ...
here is Venusta 'Porpter' ..for what that is worth ... i have no clue why it was a named cultivar ...
ken
Pieter zone 7/8 B.C. thanked ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5nicholsworth Z6 Indianapolis
last yearlast modified: last yearPieter..that was tough!..only 3 decent blooms..they're low and small..hard to hold upright without motion Lol..
I hope these are helpful..(pics #3 and #4 are actually not identical so I posted both)..
Pieter zone 7/8 B.C. thanked nicholsworth Z6 Indianapolis- Pieter zone 7/8 B.C. thanked garyz6ohio
peren.all Zone 5a Ontario Canada
last yearPieter mine of course is the same as yours, including the flowers. The difference in our zones is interesting because mine did not get the variegation until mid July. I was looking yesterday and did not see any as yet.
Just one section shows variegation. Pic was taken July11/21.
Pieter zone 7/8 B.C. thanked peren.all Zone 5a Ontario CanadaPieter zone 7/8 B.C.
last yearThank you to all who've contributed their pictures! Upon careful comparison I have come to the conclusion that what I have probably is not either 'Kinbotan' nor another form of venusta as the flowers I have on my plants are different from what I have seen contributed as 'Kinbotan' and from what I have seen as venusta. First off the petals on my flowers are almost recurved, as you can see in the first picture taken today, reminiscent of Martagon lilies almost.
The other difference is in the throat of the flower which shows a different pattern.
And there's also a subtle difference in the shape of the petals, mine are more lanceolate, the ones in the picture Gary contributed are more ovoid in shape. So, the real question now is, what is it that I have?
Pieter
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