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Comments (6)Honestly - it looks liker it will be really water-retentive as is (mushy), even at 50/50 with perlite. I agree that the advanced state of decomposition would almost certainly limit the soils usefulness to one growth cycle, if that. This isn't to say you wouldn't be able to bring along healthy plants in it with careful attention to watering and fertilizing. You can, it just isn't as easy, and when soils support lots of perched water, their limiting effects are inherent. The two reasons that growers appreciate well-aerated soils like the 5:1:1 and gritty mixes are, the soils are very forgiving - greatly increasing the grower's margin for error, and they provide an excellent environ for roots - one that ensures the opportunity for plants to grow at or very near their genetic potential, within the limiting effects of other cultural factors. In essence, what I just said is that in many cases, your soil choice is the most limiting factor to your plants. When you use the 5:1:1 or gritty mix, it's very unlikely that the soil would be the most significant limiting factor. It's possible that some OTHER factor might raise its head to spoil the party, but it's unlikely to be your soil choice. In your case, the fine particles of pine bark might as well be peat because they're going to be very water-retentive. You'll need to figure out a strategy to deal with/reduce the water retention if you're to avoid the negative consequences of that physical characteristic. Since you're already going to the effort of making your own soil, the easy way to do that would be to find a more suitable bark product - easiest in theory ...... application might be a different story (if you can't find the bark). Al...See Moregritty mix 5-1-1 question
Comments (0)Hello All - I was going back over the preparation information for the gritty and 5-1-1 mixes found in the Container Soils - Water Movement & Retention X threads. I am looking with regard to the screening requirements for the gritty mix: recipe below for main components: 1 part uncomposted screened pine or fir bark (1/8-1/4") 1 part screened Turface 1 part crushed Gran-I-Grit (grower size) or #2 cherrystone 1 Tbsp gypsum per gallon of soil CRF (if desired) I came across the following statement from Al when he was showing pictures of his sieves: The finest size is aluminum insect screen. Then, I have hardware cloth (galvanized steel) in 1/8, 1/4, 3/8, 1/2" sizes. If you're making the gritty mix with pine bark, you can get by with alum insect screen, 1/8, and 1/2. Al My question is with the line in italics. I thought the only screen sizes needed for the gritty mix are the 1/4 inch, 1/8 inch, and 1/16 inch (insect screen). It seems Al also has the sizes: 3/8 inch and 1/2 inch - are thee sizes for use with the 5-1-1? I would like to have a local handyman make the sieves like Al uses below: So, I need to tell him exactly what size mesh sizes I need, Thanks! Brian tapla (mid-MI z5b-6a) What I use: I have 2 sets (2 different sizes) of 4 different mesh gradients. Al...See More5-1-1 question...help!!
Comments (4)I've substituted diatomaceous earth (some kind of Napa Floor Dry, I think) for perlite. I've seen concerns that that product might not hold up, but mine held its shape in containers for a few years. At the end of its life I could squish pieces of it between my fingers if I tried, but the soil was more impacted from decomposed bark than the DE. Results might be different in freezing temps. I like perlite more than I used to. I still don't like how it floats to the surface, but I like how light it is, and I think some roots do, too. Can't speak to Japanese maples though. Good luck. :)...See MoreAnother 5:1:1 question
Comments (6)Harry, because any good quality potting soil is comprised of materials that do not supply any plant nutrients, they must be supplied by the grower via fertilization. This is a standard fact of life for ANY sort of container culture!! Some sort of water soluble fert works best - I prefer a Dyna Gro product because it supplies all the necessary trace elements as well as the primary nutrients but something like fish emulsion or even Miracle Gro can work as well. Wood chips are NOT a good substitute for the bark fines. You want a material that has an overall size of about 1/4" in diameter (up to 1/2" is OK). Bark fines are often sold labeled as "soil conditioner" but you need to check the product label to confirm the ingredients. If you cannot locate that, look for orchid bark of appropriate size or reptile bedding sold at pet supply stores. There is little to no biological activity in a potting mix because it doesn't contain any material that would support populations of soil microorganisms. Adding compost and/or worm castings to a potting mix will contribute beneficial organisms but to the detriment of the proper functioning of the potting medium. These materials will continue to breakdown and will eventually compact, significantly reducing porosity and aeration and leading to poor drainage. You might be able to get by with this sort of combo mix for a single growing season, but you are not doing the best you can for the plants you are growing in the containers. The typical recommendations for the most successful container culture is NOT to reuse potting soil from one season to the next and no additions of either compost or worm castings. If you want to make use of these products with your containers, use them to make a tea with which you can fertilize the plants, although I would not rely on that alone for proper fertilization....See More- 2 years ago
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