just had to copy & paste these statements: "The whole enclave is ostentatiously poorly designed. Very depressing. It's just another example of where a random collection of bumpouts, gables, and disconnected rooflines on postage stamps approved by a committee are considered to be "upscale" because so much money has been spent on that bad design. " The whole development appears to be crammed into undersized lots to maximize builder profit on th eland investment. this is an interesting statement from the OP, so I will go ahead and quote it: "....complaining about issues that can't be changed is childish" How is this different then complaining about this house? In fact, if all houses were for sale, theirs would be the FIRST I would buy. Y'all are reading my mind...its uncanny! I really hate threads with folks talking smack about the neighbor's tacky house..one person's tacky house is another's dream home... best of luck OP.

Barnmom, I think you're right but I believe that Bobby's part of the world, there in Florida, may be more progessive than here. LOL Bobby, I don't think that when his mother is gone it will make any difference. Her cooking will just be "better" in retrospect. I would be asking her for her recipes now, if you're on speaking terms, then you can say "but it's your Mom's recipe." Annie

Oh please keep this thread going. It is good to know that I was not the only one taken by the previous owners and stuck with a real big fixer upper. Mine started right after I moved in. July 2001. I noticed that there was always water standing on the floor after taking a shower. I thought ok I will chaulk around tub. That did not work. I kept trying things that I though would fix the problem, but still water on floor. I then went down in the crawl space to look at floor of bathroom. Well to my surprise it was all rotten. They had tried it, seemed, to fix floor but did not put the floor under tub. So tub was leaning inward of the room. So all water just flowed to the floor. Bathroom had to be gutted and floor beams replaced due to rot.Also I found that the window sill in the master bedroom was rotten with a huge hole in sill. I filled with foam to try and keep air out but still I could watch the wind blow the curtain even with plastic over the windows. . Well the next year we found out why. The spare bedroom was so cold and the master was windy. That hole side of the house was eaten up by termites. The spare bedroom out side wall was not even attached to the support beam anymore.You could move it back and forth. You could see from the crawl space that they jerry rigged it to hold the house shingles on. That entailed us getting jacks and jacking up the house on that end and replacing 10x12 support beam and 2x4's up wall. That explained why the house was so cold and my power bill so high. I also had found covered up switch plates that had live wires in them, but did not know where these wires went or what they controlled. Dh went to replace the ceiling fan in kitchen and found that they had used that junction box for everything even the next 2 bedrooms. So many wires attached in one area. Then we had a huge hole cave in and found out that is where the old septic tank was and instead fo getting a contractor to fill it, according to the neighbors, they decided to fill them selves with anything they could find. They had also blocked off the attic vent with cardboard, that I cannot understand why. Reading these posts you wonder why we even get home inspections. I feel now that it is just a money maker scheme. And how they can get away with signing the disclouser form , which I thought we a legal document, and not be held accountable for the damage that was there when they sold the house. Thanbks for letting me vent. Marie

Kitchenkrazed09, The interior opening of the cabinet for the standard installation, which is what we did, needed to be 24"...So a standard 24" has to be backless. The flush/inset install requires 25"...Which can also be done with a standard cabinet that is backless, but away from the wall an inch. I seem to remember that they also recommend a wider cabinet for the inset look. We have a 30" frameless cabinet. Let me know if you have more questions, or if there are specific photos you'd like to see. There will be more photos on the blog I just started (linked above on Nov 20 post) than I usually put here, but they're not all oven-related. Here is a link that might be useful: Wolf E-Series installation guide (PDF)