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loves2read
12 years ago

We live on short culdesac street with 7 homes and I vacant lot--at the bottom left of the culdesac. Someone has bought the lot and started to build a house.--single story, minimum sq ft for HOA requirements. Our subdivison has an HOA and an architectural oversight committee with 3 HOA members on it--the HOA president and 2 others.

The architectural oversight committee signed off on allowing this house to be built with the front door opening onto the garage of the home next door vs facing the center of the street/middle of the lot's front--

I saw the plans today that were submitted and there is no question that the house in not centered on the lot or that it looks terribly awkward and frankly, ugly, in that location. Also talked to the builder putting it up and he said that he tried to talk the owners out of using that orientation when they brought the plan to him. He told them it was not how the house should sit on the lot but they refused to really change the plan to get different orientation or to center the house.

Originally they had the plan for a rectangular lot in different subdivison in different town close by--then decided the house behind that lot had windown that looked down into their yard--so they looked for a new lot.

They have twisted the set up of the house to maximize the privacy in the back yard--and damn how the front looks.

Supposedly the husband of the couple building it has a Master's in Construction Technology based on what he told the future next door neighbor....

I took photos today but don't really know how to post them here to show how off balance this construction will be. Right not they are just framing it--no roof or exterior walls are up--but when they start to enclose that and give it real "body" and "weight" then the ugly nature will be much more apparent...

The developer who started the subdivision stated there was no way he would have allowed anyone to put that house up when he was in control. We can't fathom would possess an archetectural committee to allow something so ugly to be permanent part of this subdivision. It will degrade the overall appearance of our street from now until forever. The next door neighbor who will be more impacted by this bad design has talked to her attorney about finding an attorney with experience suing HOAs--but that would really damage ALL the homeowners -- just like this bad construction will--

I know so many people are against HOA's but the only value if to have them keep botched construction ideas and negligent owners from ruining people's property values--and this they could not do...

Comments (58)

  • PRO
    Epiarch Designs
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    HOW will it reduce your value?!! You have no proof of that and are assuming. You think because something looks bad TO YOU it will negatively affect you and others around you. The only reference you gave is house size in relation to yours or others. Has it occured to you they do not want a large wasteful house? We are building a new house next year, and the plans are done. We could afford 2x the house we are building, but its wasteful and foolish on many levels in our opinion. But I wont go knocking on some big home next to me about how I think their house isnt right. Get a grip, chill, and read all of the responses to your thread already...perhaps we are all on to something...
    And I also do not think you have the right to post someone else's house on a forum so you can bash it. I dont care if they pitched a tent beside you, its their house, their land and their right. The board approved it, so obviously they felt it fit the requirements.

  • User
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I don't understand the reason for your post. Do you want affirmation of your very rigid design aesthetic? You're not going to get much support on that. Most people would rather have hot steel poked into their kidneys than have some committee tell them what color they have to paint their house. People who are building a home generally want it to express their personality. Very few people are beige all the way through.

    Do you want suggestions as to how you can make the HOA change their mind? That won't happen. Construction has already begun. If you disagreed with their decision, the time to lobby them about it was while it was still on the table.

    Do you want suggestions about a suit againjst the HOA? A local lawyer would be a better consultation, and he'd tell you that you are really suing yourself since you're part of the HOA.

    Do you want commiserations and pats on the back saying "there there, I'm so sorry you have to deal with this huge wrong" Emotional support on this issue would be best provided by your family, neighbors, and therapist. There aren't enough people on here that agree with you that you've suffered some kind of injury. You havent't lost a loved one, or a limb, or your job, and no natural disaster has taken your home, which was built exactly as you wanted it to be.

    If you want more control over others, then run for a position on the HOA. Unless lots of other people share your gripes, you won't win a seat. If you are elected and take a big hardline, be prepared to lose your seat. More people can be united against something they consider an irritation than can be bothered to break their apathy to just rubber stamp approvals.

    So again, I don't understand your post here.

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    Original Author
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    thanks for the info about posting photos--

  • bus_driver
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    last modified: 9 years ago

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  • LuAnn_in_PA
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    last modified: 9 years ago

    "How do I take a photo from MY desktop and add it here?
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  • bevangel_i_h8_h0uzz
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

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  • chicagoans
    12 years ago
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    If someone did that - post a photo of MY personal property without my permission - lawyers would be involved!

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  • graywings123
    12 years ago
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    Nonsense! You can stand on the street and take a photo of any thing that you want and post it on the internet. You can call in all the lawyers you want, but there is nothing illegal about it.

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  • juniork
    12 years ago
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    ok, this thread is acting strangely. There are 23 follow up posts, but if I actually count them, I am the 18th post. What happened to my previous post?!?! It wasn't offensive! Hope it didn't get deleted for a reason!
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  • loves2read
    Original Author
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    the house to the left of the vacant lot where the new build is has two car garage in the front/top corner and third bay on the rearmost/top corner

    The front door of the new build will face right into the 2 bay garage with about 6 ft of lawn (including the sidewalk) between the new build front and the driveway

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  • loves2read
    Original Author
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    The other photos I took with my phone of the house are accessible from same link
    should have taken one from farther down the court but was barefooted and it was hot--

    I appreciate the tact that some of you have posted with--
    I do understand (which I stated before) that we can't stop this build since the ARC did approve such a lop-sided orientation...and we can't sue for damages because currently we can't prove we have suffered financial loss since none of us are trying to sell our homes...
    but let any 10 RE agents view this court before and after this new build is finished and all of them will say that damage was done...
    and that selling the new house and ones on either side will be MORE difficult because of this awkward orientation.

    I understand that these new owners are perfectly happy with this house--but that does not mean it was a good decision ultimately for them or us--
    just because people want to have a baby does not axiomatically make them good parents as recent news stories amply demonstrate...

    We ARE running other people against the current HOA board--although the current president tried to (illegally) prevent them getting on the ballot so hopefully new leadership more amenable to the HOA in general will occur.

    I don't appreciate the vitriol other posters showed, however. I thought this forum had moderators to supervise content and enforce the rules of polite discourse. They certainly ran off other posters in years past for comments less critical than the ones made to me.

    If you have experienced problems with HOA oversight or city zoning problems before--that was not me, guys--so don't take out that residual anger on me...
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  • tanem
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Just curious, what was the ulterior motive the HOA had in okaying this house? It looks like a beautiful home. I wish them the best!

  • david_cary
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I am truly surprised by the tone here. The house site is awkward. The problem really stems from using a stock plan or a custom one with no consideration of lot shape and desire for a significant backyard

    The ARC has really failed you and I wonder what they think of the build now?

  • galore2112
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I think the new house fits in just fine. The whole development looks extremely cramped - if someone failed here it's the city's zoning department that should have required much lower lot coverage.
    The immediate neighbor to the offending build looks like it's 90% house and 10% yard.

  • sierraeast
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Im finding it hard to believe that any of those homes were allowed to be built on such small lots. Crammed in there like sardines. For larger homes such as those in our area, the zoning/ lot size requirements is minimum 2-1/2 acres.

  • energy_rater_la
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    some people decide orientation based on the sun
    in my climate building with house facing west will
    cost more to heat and cool. best orientation is n/s
    what matters to one person changes to the next.
    building a home that is affordable is one thing,
    building a home that is efficient is another.
    I've seen many a beautiful home that the homeowners
    paid a huge utility bill.
    people just have different agendas.

    rather than building to satisfy some hoa, building
    to satisfy the person paying to build is often the
    criteria.

    I don't see why folks want to control every aspect
    of the people building near them. But this is why
    I live in the country.

    you'll get lost of support from likeminded people here
    and the ones like me will just shake our heads.

    guess I'll just say..
    best of luck.

  • GatorAlum
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I don't have anything really new to add, except that I'm glad I don't live in an HOA neighborhood. I hope the new home will look much better completed and it won't cause you and your neighbors too much anxiety!

  • sierraeast
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    The one of many advantages to building on property is as stated by E.R. above is placing the home for maximum efficiency. I realize it's all about layyout, floorplan, overhangs, etc, but when you have a chance to work with the sun, breezes, shading, etc, it should be taken advantage of.

    In HOA controlled sardine can subdivisions, your options are limited to a handful of yahoos sitting around a desk.

    To each their own!

  • loves2read
    Original Author
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    in my area-- DFW metroplex--there is wide range of what a city will deem acceptable when it allows a new subdivision to be developed--

    A neighborhood like this is not unusual--more par for the course for homes in this price range and age
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    ...one reason why homes are two story vs one...
    And the developer COULD have had larger lots--but the city was interested in turning this area (an in-fill build on some property with flood zone issues and changing elevation) into more taxable property--
    So it was amenable to having lots of this size--in close proximity--
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    Finding a large lot to built an independent project on is very difficult in DFW unless you are willing to move outside the developed metroplex--

    infill building on tear-down lots does not work in most older neighborhoods because the lots are small and the value of the homes in subdivision won't support new construction costs--even if the design would work...

    IN the Metroplex a "good" lot of .5 acre or so will cost at least 100K and maybe 300K in high$$ home area

    even the RE crunch has not dropped the price of raw land like it has tract homes in overbuilt areas--people with land just held on to it if they could not get their price.

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  • loves2read
    Original Author
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Ulterior motive--inferred--not documented--

    the head of the HOA is also the head of the ARC plus two other HOA board members

    He and the woman who is the neighbor of this new build have been at odds for more than a year because the ARC turned down a house design submitted by friend of this woman...

    house would have been nice 4000 sq ft/two story--
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    plus would have taken up one of the 18 vacant lots we still have in this subdivision 9 yrs after it opened...

    Supposedly the design would have put the house 14"--not ft- too close to the property line of the house to the left--
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    That new design would have had NO windows on that side to "overlook" his house

    He voted no to a variance to allow house to be built that close--another person on the ARC voted yes to allow it (there are over 70 variance approved out of the 80+ homes in subidvision.)

    The 3rd member of the ARC did not want to cross his friend the HOA president so he abstained--so it went to the HOA board. The HOA president has clique of his friends on the board--so the design was voted down and people told to resubmit after reworking the plans--

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    and I guess they thought that by having no windows on that side that the issue of privacy and being too close was resolved.

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  • chisue
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I agree that the new build will look 'different', but not *awful*. One way it will differ is that it will have some 'yard'.

    Just out of curiosity, what is the FAR in your neighborhood? (Floor Area Ratio: Percentage of lot that can be covered by building 'footprint'.)

    Land costs are relative. I live north of Chicago. You can build a 5-6K sq ft house here...if you have an acre (and can get approval from the city's Building Review Board). A desireable acre lot runs $1M.

  • PRO
    Epiarch Designs
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Sorry, I really do not find the layout bad, and certainly not justifiable to your reaction. And no, its not because I have disagreed with you from your very first post, but that is what I, as a design professional, believe. It is hard to tell exactly how it fits the site from front elevations, but once it is completed I am sure it will be fine. I still do not buy into your assumptions of property value loss. The current market will hurt the values of these houses 10x what this new one will. In Fact I would not be surprised if this new house's value is pretty high in comparison to sqft due to the fact they WILL have yard space compared to most of the insanely cramped houses in that development.

  • brickeyee
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    "Nonsense! You can stand on the street and take a photo of any thing that you want and post it on the internet. You can call in all the lawyers you want, but there is nothing illegal about it. "

    THIS.

    Why do you even have an idea that posting a picture of a public view could be cause for ANY action.

    Some localities have aerial photos of the whole county online, and Google earth has covered a lot of territory from the ground by driving down the street and matching the location to overhead using GPS.

    The street view of every house in my neighborhood is on Google Earth.

  • musings
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I agree the house sits awkwardly on the lot in such a tight subdivision. And, the fact that your HOA approves so many variances makes your ordinaces seam subjective and somewhat meaningless.

  • bus_driver
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    loves2read on Sat, Jul 9, 11 at 12:36

    Your post above as referenced proves one of my major objections to regulations- favoritism gets involved. Someone get favored and some one gets disfavored- often for nonsensical reasons or for personal gain. Better to have no such power granted to others.

  • Kode
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I don't understand the problem.

    If its one of aestethics, then someone should have thought of that before they built 6 McMansions in a cul-de-sac that really only fits 3.

    Truly an example of less is more.

  • dekeoboe
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Do I have it correct that they needed no variance to build this house? If so, what specific language in your HOA rules/covenants did they violate that the ARB should have cited in denying them approval to build the house?

  • athensmomof3
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I think it is pretty goofy looking but at least the garage doesn't point at the street, which is what I was picturing! I think the ones with the real beef are the neighbors that have his front door pointing at their driveway. If I were them I would plant the biggest thing I could find - a tea olive or taller) and buffer the driveway edge. Unfortunately it looks like they don't have much room over there to plant much. . . Maybe they can put up a fence or build a brick wall and landscape in front of it :)

    I do think it is appropriate for the ARB person in charge to discuss landscaping and what the homeowner intends to do to minimize the fact that the house looks like it is sitting sideways on the lot.

  • tanem
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    What is reason for posting this thread exactly? Are you looking for justification. As far as the whole HOA problems, which yours is no different than most HOAs, it's purely speculation. Since I have expeience firsthand of this type of situation I can tell you they have approval and that house is going to be built there no matter what you and a few others have to say. People can sue all they want and slow down the construction but they will lose and have to pay all legal fees. If they go against the HOA then all homeowners will have to pay the legal fees.

    All those homes are crammed into that development which makes them all look odd aethically. Who cares where the front door is when one house is on top of another? No one has any privacy except the smart ones that situated their house to give them privacy in their backyard. If it bothers the neighbors that are affected then it's up to them to landscape effectively on their own lot. As you said there are a 100 homes with probably 100 opinions. Another suggestion, perhaps the neighbors that are gossiping about this house talk to the owners and offer to pay for an architect, and all the structural changes so the house is build it to their liking?

  • lyfia
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Those pics don't look as bad as I imagined it. Actually I can't see an issue with it. Lots are odd and cramped anyways so with some landscaping I doubt it is noticable.

    Even if I was the person with my garage facing their front door I wouldn't bother doing anything. The way most houses are laid out is with all the main spaces toward the back of the house so not like I'd feel like I'd loose any privacy for my garage. Seems like it is those building the house that is loosing out more on the view end there.

  • User
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    The whole enclave is ostentatiously poorly designed. Very depressing. It's just another example of where a random collection of bumpouts, gables, and disconnected rooflines on postage stamps approved by a committee are considered to be "upscale" because so much money has been spent on that bad design. At least the "crooked" house will have a bit of interest to it---and some back yard.

  • lazypup
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I understand this post completely. The originator is a control freak and she doesn't like the idea that someone would build a house in a manner that is not acceptable to her.

  • sombreuil_mongrel
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    The plan is tragicomically ill-suited for the lot. That said, there's probably nothing you can do about it short of moving or suing.
    Casey

  • peytonroad
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Well, I would be more concerned with your relationship with these people. Have you considered that you will live with these people for some time? Why not simply take life for what it is and move on? The houses barely fit on those lots anyway, look at the right side, 2nd/3rd house from pool. Those homes are so close you could lean out the window and touch. I would be more worried about the two swimming pools and the noise from that than the orientation of a home. I mean if the shoe were on the other foot and you were the owner of the "strange" home, would you want the neighbors in your business like you are in theirs? They could be really good people moving in and you are squashing a potential relationship with them. There is nothing you can do about it.

  • LuAnn_in_PA
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    After seeing the map, I give them a lot of credit for thinking outside the box and trying to give their family something no one else seems to have...
    a yard and a little breathing room.

  • loves2read
    Original Author
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    We have found in last 24 hours that
    1--the bylaws we thought the HOA was operating under were rewritten around June of last year and basically any power the HOA members had was evicerated and put into the hands of the HOA Board--and they were rewritten to make it just aout impossible to recall a board member or petition the Board for redress when there are issues...
    2--last night there was situaton that just highlighted how disfuntional and abusive this current HOA setup is--some people tried to find out why they held a secret election to vote in a new board of their choices and people were shouting and pointing fingers-no rational discussion happened
    the new board president resigned at some point--but not at that meeting

    but getting a fair election will be impossible unless we take legal action--

    after all this has come to light that house is just a sympton of a much larger problem...

    you may not like this neighborhood's design--
    I wish the lots were bigger myself -- but they AREN'T--complaining about issues that can't be changed is childish

    and if you want to live in particular areas of DFW you just have to deal with issues like these--

    I don't want to live 40 mi out in the country and have to drive an hour to my doctor--and we can't afford a Million dollar home on an acre lot--
    The issue is to make the BEST appearance with what you have at your disposal--that benefits the design of the neighborhood--that is what the HOA ARC is supposed to be protecting--the ARC did not do that
    these owners are not doing that--and they are making others--not just them--pay the price...
    no one is going to burn down their house or probably say anything negative to their face even--but that does not mean we think they made a good decision

    In my part of DFW (and most of TX in general) any subdivision that is 15 yrs old or newer have MANDATORY HOAs--you can't buy a house unless you join--we had to pay prorated dues when we closed on this house--and the HOA board contols the HOA--
    initially there was balance and fairness under the old bylaws--then some people got on the board and rewrote the bylaws (except the people I spoke with have no memory of knowing/agreeing to that happening--we don't remember nor did we get copy of the NEW bylaws).

    These bylaws are so slanted to the power of the Board vs the general members that I am ashamed people would be so nakedly power hungry and abusive to others when I saw them...or that an attorney would write a legal document that so arrogantly took power away from the members in such a blatant power grab

    We know we can't do anythng to stop this house--apparently it meets the city's code and the ARC approved it--but that does not stop anyone (except the owners) seeing it in person and asking what were they thinking of...

  • bus_driver
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    This link may shed light on the actions of HOAs and others in power.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Watch here

  • worthy
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I can't imagine the horror of having to see the inside of my neighbour's garage! They might as well be bent over every morning mooning me!

  • brickeyee
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    "The whole enclave is ostentatiously poorly designed. Very depressing. It's just another example of where a random collection of bumpouts, gables, and disconnected rooflines on postage stamps approved by a committee are considered to be "upscale" because so much money has been spent on that bad design. "

    The whole development appears to be crammed into undersized lots to maximize builder profit on th eland investment.

    I live in a small inflil devlopment on the orginal farm house from the 1930s.
    They are on 0.125 acre, with no yards at all.
    I sit on 0.33 with a nice backyard elevated above the rest by the hill the house is on.

    I could have purchased ANY house in the place, but did not want a California 'open' mess with T1-11 siding on an expensive house.
    They all look cheap.

  • sierraeast
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    "I could have purchased ANY house in the place, but did not want a California 'open' mess with T1-11 siding on an expensive house".

    The only "houses" I see out here in California using T-1-11 are manufactured, ( mobile ) homes and it's not even plywood based! Pretty rare to have any home out here with T-1-11 siding. There are race tract subdivisuion cracker box homes that are stucco with T-1-11 siding on gables and entry ways; strategic places, but those are basically inexpensive starter homes. Never seen T-1-11 on any higher end home, at least where we are and where we are building.

  • PRO
    Epiarch Designs
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    this is an interesting statement from the OP, so I will go ahead and quote it:
    "....complaining about issues that can't be changed is childish"

    How is this different then complaining about this house?

    And yet again, you bring of comments of "paying the price", so I will ask a 3rd time...what proof do you have to base this assumption on? In fact, if all houses were for sale, theirs would be the FIRST I would buy.

  • chapnc
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I think the new house is very well situated on that odd shaped lot. When you drive down the approach road into the cul-de-sac, you are looking at the FRONT of that house, not the side. I think that's a good thing.

    The new owners did their due dilengence by satisifying all of the ARC requirements. Having done that, they do not need your approval. Get over yourself.

  • sierraeast
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    "There are race tract subdivisuion cracker box homes that are stucco with T-1-11 siding on gables and entry ways; strategic places, but those are basically inexpensive starter homes".

    And should have stated that they are 30 - 40 years old or older. I don't even know if you can still get T-1-11 except maybe special order. No one uses it out here anymore for sure!

    And speaking of crammed in, the tract homes I speak of by code have a minimum 10' founndation to foundation. On parallel homes when you figure in the overhangs, they are 6' apart. When I was a kid nailing off roof sheathing, we didn't bother climbing down and back up to the next house over, we simply jumped overhang to overhang. Crammed in there like sardines! Nothin' like hearing your neighbor fart!

  • energy_rater_la
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    just had to copy & paste these statements:

    "The whole enclave is ostentatiously poorly designed. Very depressing. It's just another example of where a random collection of bumpouts, gables, and disconnected rooflines on postage stamps approved by a committee are considered to be "upscale" because so much money has been spent on that bad design. "
    The whole development appears to be crammed into undersized lots to maximize builder profit on th eland investment.

    this is an interesting statement from the OP, so I will go ahead and quote it:
    "....complaining about issues that can't be changed is childish"
    How is this different then complaining about this house?

    In fact, if all houses were for sale, theirs would be the FIRST I would buy.

    Y'all are reading my mind...its uncanny!
    I really hate threads with folks talking smack about
    the neighbor's tacky house..one person's tacky
    house is another's dream home...

    best of luck OP.

  • robin0919
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    How can the by-laws be rewritten without a vote from the HOA members??

  • loves2read
    Original Author
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    good question...
    one that we need to find out answer too

  • pfmastin
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I would be more concerned with the water runoff in this development. It appears that most surfaces are taken up by rooflines and concrete....nowhere for water to be filtered.

  • brickeyee
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    "Never seen T-1-11 on any higher end home, at least where we are and where we are building."

    T1-11 ran rampant in the mid 1970s around Northern Virginia.

    There are MANY house in Reston Virginia with values over $500,000 with T1-11 siding.

    Most of the infill houses around my much older house have T1-11 and they are easily pushing $850,000.
    Some of the houses on the approach road by a different builder are more 'classic' designs using Hardi siding.

  • HU-464286693
    2 years ago

    Interesting threat. I just read it while browsing. I would point out, LuAnn, that anyone can take any photo of anything visible in public and post it anywhere they want.