I started training my Raspberry cream T once they were arund 2-3 feet tall. The added support seemed to make them get even taller faster. It did not cause any estress.

Here is after their first. only cloud 10 blooming here

the following year. I feel the support helped them shoot up

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I want to see what others say too. :) Good question!

@dianela7analabama I just love seeing photos of your garden. What was the starting size of your plant? Did you do "zig zag" training up right away or straight up? I read that zig zag or somewhat horizontal canes create more flowers.

@rosecanadian Maybe it's ok because I'm starting with a healthy, lush 3 gal plant especially a disease resistant rose.

Dianela - that was really helpful!! Thank you!! And my GOODNESS, the BEAUTY of your roses!!! SWOON!!!

Ahhhhhh! Wowowow. So beautiful! I'm swooning too. Even in winter it looks so cool. Thanks for sharing!!

Ohhh my previous comments did not post. Somehow I can't type any comments with my iphone or my ipad on this site any more. It starts lagging and takes like a minute or more for each letter show show up. I have to actually seat on my desktop to post anything.

Thank you very much Carol. I really love my Raspberry Cream Twirl. For the longest time I regretted planting it here as I originally wanted something soft and romantic like Spirit of Freedom, but it is a wonderful rose. I am going to miss it in the future because we have recently bought some farm land and will be building a new home and selling this property. It is going to be a few years before we do that, but for now I am going to work on making my garden smaller and more manageable. I am only going to keep the beds right around my house and remove around 6 beds of roses, because most people around here will not want my property with so many beds to care for. I also have many roses I love, but they are just too bad with blackspot (most of my favorite Austins). I am less willing to be a slave of spraying these days so they are going to be removed.

Stopandsmelltheroses: I am glad you like my garden, it has given me much joy to work creating it. I honestly do not think you can hurt New Dawn no matter what you do, just make sure you have enough space for that beast of a rose. You should have blackspot in your area also and New Dawn should be fairy resistant. I do not grow New Dawn but I grow Awakening which has her genes and it is very healthy here.

Dianela - I think this is a great chance to focus on healthy, beautiful roses!! Although it's probably going to hurt to get rid of so many roses. Are you going to take any with you?

Carol I am going to try to root some of the more difficult to find (out of patent) ones. I have some I really love like Blossom Time. I also managed to get Annie Laurie Mcdowell this year and will be keeping her in a pot until I find her a permanent home at the new property.

Dianela, good luck with your move! Is it far from where you are now? I'm sure you will make it just as lovely if not more than your current one. Maybe we could see photos of your beds before you dismantle them? I've never even heard of Blossomtime. Is it fragrant? I just read someone compare it to New Dawn as a good alternative, does that sound accurate? If it is just as disease resistant and repeat blooming, and I could find it, I might put New Dawn somewhere else then. I planted New Dawn on an arbor. It is growing on one side and I planted Eden rose on the other. I understand it will be higher maintenance but I'm hoping it will be ok. What would you do?

Dianela - that makes sense! And that's so great that you got ALM!! That's such a FABULOUS rose!!! :) :)

stopandsmelltheroses: =) I will be more than happy to post full bed pictures for you to see. I actually did not take many this year, because I have had a lot going on. I have them from last year and Ill post them for you here. Blossom time was the best rose mistake that has ever happened to me. I ordered 3 Awakenings and one of them turned out to be Blossomtime which is a more lovely rose in my opinion. They are both very good plants with beautiful blooms. Awakening seems to be a larger plant here.

I will be removing most of these bed, except the climbers on the poles, because that is too much trouble.

here is Blossomtime

Mel's heritage in the background with blossomtime front left

These are all from same bed. Ballerina and Darlows enigma showing here

Olivia, iceberg, Mel's and Awakening

Closer look of awakening and super exelsa

Mel's heritage is one of my absolute best roses. I would highly recommend him if you have the space.

Keeping this ones

Beautiful. Thanks for sharing. Blossomtime is gorgeous. The view from the side is equally nice.

I'm in TOTAL AWE over your roses!!! Your Mel's H. is astounding!!! Unbelievable how many blooms your gardens have!!!!

Thank you both! for some reason the ones I am removing didnt post

removing

Oh, what a shame! :( :( Your roses are insanely beautiful and floriferous!!!

Thank you a million Carol. Maybe in a few years i will be able to manage a large garden again.

That will be wonderful to see!! :) :) Having roses like yours is only a dream for me. Never in a million years would my roses look like that!! I'm sooo happy to see your pictures!