Bertazzoni vs Fulgor Milano
Justin Hassan
3 years ago
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Comments (308)@Boxer Momma - Thank you. I should note that I do have marble as a backsplash so that may contribute a bit to the depth of the range top, but not much. However, if ripping out the cabinets, I may ask the cabinet maker to make those cabinets a bit deeper than the 24 inch standard. Of course, you must also consider whether you have enough room on the opposite side. All Range tops stick out a bit, so I would think that an inch or inch and a half deeper cabinets would be all you'd need. It would also be wise to check out your local appliance showroom to see how much the other brands protrude from the counters. I find I have plenty of room on my 36 inch, but I don't often use a griddle. My kids are grown now and out of the house, and although I do cook every day, I usually use a smaller griddle, the grill out back, or do things like bacon, eggs, etc in the oven if I'm cooking for a crowd. Pay attention to the burner layout as well. I like that the 36 inch has the two larger burners in the front, the very large one in the center and the two smaller ones (which I use infrequently) in the back. I am very very happy with FM, and just love the knobs as it only takes a second to turn down a burner if it's too high and it reponds immediately. I also have to say that I love the Wolf double ovens. I too was considering the GE as I had had GE before and they worked pretty well for almost 30 years. I do notice a difference in the Wolf, especially with baking. I was a bit leary of GE and Cafe when the company was bought out by Haier (a Chinese company) and just wasn't sure how that would affect the brand. I also loved the service I got from Wolf and Subzero, when my appliance store ordered the wrong fridge and after waiting 11 months would do nothing about it. I called Subzero and had a new fridge in 3 weeks. Good luck, All these decisions are not easy....See MoreMiele vs Samsung vs BlueStar vs Wolf Induction Cooktops + Service
Comments (44)So, time to chime in here. I went with the Blue Star 36" induction cook top 2 years ago. Looks great, LOVED the knobs, worked fantastic... for about 18 months. I'll note that unlike their other products it only has a 1 year warranty. First, the two rightmost burners started indicating they were overheating when the central burner was in use (and the rightmost were not). I reset the system at the breaker per the manual and it rand great for three weeks with a hitch, then the central and right top burner cut out entirely. Three days later they came back, but wouldn't heat above level 7 (out of 10). I had (or so I thought) the good sense to get an extended warranty, but after getting a service guy out here the warranty company informs me it will cost more to fix than I paid in the first place, so they're going to cash me out. Blue Star may be good in other areas (no experience here), but based on my experience with this one, I don't think they have enough time making this product to reach their usual degree of reliability. Addendum: looks like Blue Star (when I bought it) had a narrower cut out (18") than anything currently on the market, including their own product. At least it looks like they're learning from past mistakes......See MoreThe newest (2018+) Bertazzoni induction range? Or the Miele?
Comments (34)@Doug Myrland Doug - your comment a few posts up about not having noticed any temperature inconsistency using either convection or regular bake answered my question (I think) - I am brand new to convection and induction cooking and am doing a complete kitchen renovation, and ordered my appliances months ago given the long lead times we are all experiencing. I ordered the 30 inch Bertazzoni Pro dual fuel (gas on the cooktop, electric/convection in the oven). Then, yesterday, with about 3 weeks until the cabinets are installed and ready for the appliances to go in, I learned about the environmental and health issues that are attributed to natural gas cooking, of which I was completely unaware (and I LOVE cooking on gas). So I pondered, did some reading, and called my appliance guy to see how quickly he could get the induction version of the same range (and expected him to laugh since he already knows that my appliances are being delivered in 3 weeks). To my surprise he said he could have one in 2-3 weeks. I have always been such a proponent of gas cooking, but once I adjusted my thinking I decided to take the plunge, and ordered the induction/convection version. I'm actually really excited about it now. But nothing in the spec sheets really says clearly whether it is just convection or if it also does "regular" baking, but it sounds like it does both, given your answer. So my question is this: which do you use more, convection or regular bake, and how do you decide which to use? I am in for some fun - very little experience with induction (I have an induction hot plate) and zero experience with convection, but everything I read says both are awesome. Any thoughts on any of this are welcomed by this newbie....See More30" Induction Range: Bertazzoni, Bosch, GE, Fulgor, Miele, Wolf, etc.
Comments (61)Since folks occasionally come across this thread, perhaps it's time for a 2023 update. Bosch Bosch has released a new "Pro" model in their 800 series line. The 800 Series Induction freestanding range (model number HIS8055U has front control knobs, but a rather small oven at 3.9 CuFt. While it does check my boxes for individual burner controls, preferably knobs, there's a few things to note: Oven size is rather small No bridge burner While Bosch themselves don't list out the wattage of each burner, it is a 40A circuit, so it may be a little less power than the Miele, Wolf or Fulgor Milano And this is a rumor and something I heard on a few appliance review videos, but unable to confirm: This product is the Smeg cooktop. If so, the burner power would be two burners at 3,000 W and two at 1,400 W. Which is indeed quite a bit less than the other top choices I had listed in the original post So overall it may look great, has front control knobs for each individual burner, but it may not have the power and/or reliability of the Bosch Benchmark slide-in induction range. Thermador They have been known for their "Freedom Induction Cooktop", especially in the 36" version. There are no truly dedicated burners, but a large "flex zone" on both the left and right side that are each powered by two separate inductors. You can use each zone as two individual burners or as one large cooking zone. You can slide pots and pans around over the entire zone and with several different programming options, it will remember your setting and transfer it to wherever you move the pan. Or you can set it to be in incrementally lower power settings front to back. So it can be on 9 at the front, 7 in the middle, 5 further back, etc.... Sear and just slide it back to lower the power setting. Extremely high tech and super impressive. So now Thermador has released this in a 30" induction range. The Thermador Liberty® Induction Professional Range 30'' Pro Harmony® (that's a mouthful) with model number PRI30LBHU is a sleek looking cooking range, with an impressively capable induction cooktop. What stood out to me: The Liberty or Freedom cooktop is phenomenally flexible, powerful and high tech. A little overwhelmingly high-tech even However, in a 30" range, it seems a little small. While the entire glass cooktop is 22 1/2" deep, a large section in the front is taken up by the controls. Based on some initial measurements, that means the flex zone cooking surface is only about 15 1/2" to 16" deep. I have to find one in person to confirm that, but based on images and scale, that's it came out to. Sounds awfully small to me And, for me, the biggest sticking point is the lack of individual burner control. On the 36" version there is a very sleek looking control panel that is very intuitive with a slider control. On the 30" version, it looks very much like the Bosch controls and hence not my personal favorite. But it may work for you All that being said, it's probably been the most exciting release in the 30" induction range world for the last year. The images attached are the size of the Thermador cooktop and the comparison the controls of the 30" Liberty range vs the 36" Freedom cooktop Other updates Dacor Has completely abandoned and discontinued the 30" induction range Fisher & Paykel Someone did point out that DCS sold the household appliance brand F&P to Haier. Which is a Chinese conglomerate that owns GE Appliances, Hoover, Hotpoint, Sanyo and a few other brands. I have not necessarily heard anything bad about F&P and know several folks have purchased F&P 9 series Classic models since they come in different colors to match your desired interior Fulgor Milano They seem to be more prevalent now than they were when I wrote the original article. And many people are quite impressed and happy with the quality. One re-occurring comment I see is that the oven seems to indicate that the preheat is complete, while the temperature is not fully distributed throughout the oven cavity yet. Especially in simple bake mode. The workaround seems to be to preheat with a convection mode to ensure the entire oven cavity is heated through and then switch back to the preferred baking mode. A bit of a workaround, but it that's the only complaint, I think it remains a strong top contender GE Cafe and Profile No major updates Miele Likewise no significant updates. The induction range is still on version 3 and remains equally impressive as it was when I posted the original article. Wolf Only has released a style update with a different oven door handle. Wait times seem to have gone down, but no feature or other technical updates As far as I know those are the updates I was able to find, so I hope this helps those continuing to shop around...See MoreJustin Hassan
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