Lazypup, Drawing the plan, or using MS paint won't help, I am blind. I don't like to mention it very often cause some peoples' first reaction is for me to go get a pro to do the work. Why should I waste good money on something I can do my self? that aside, I will put in words the best I can, my layout, and maybe you can draw a sketch. My house is about 30 feet the west- east way, and 32 feet the north-south way. I will start with the kitchen, because that is the furthest from the main drain. The kitchen is in the south east corner, 17 feet west-east, and about 10 feet north-south. I am rounding the measurements,so it might be a few inches either way. The sink drain is 1 1/2 PVC and is about 10 feet from the east wall, and 1 foot from the south wall. the dish washer drain is 16 feet from the east wall, and 3 feet from the south wall. The dish washer drain goes through the floor, east toward the sink drain, then south to connect to the sink drain. The drain then goes down under the basement floor, about 8 foot down from floor to basement floor. At the floor it connects with CI, and travels about 22 feet north to the main drain. There is no vent in the kitchen. Not my doing, a kitchen remodel is on the list. the main stack is about 15 feet from the east wall, and 7 feet from the north wall. Under the basement floor it runs east out of the house. Oh, it is 4 inch CI. the main floor bathroom is about 7 feet west-east, and 6 feet north-south. It is about 14 feet from the east wall, on the north side of the house. The toilet is about 18 inches straight north of the main vertical drain. The bath/shower combo drain is about 4 feet from the east wall, and about 1 foot from the north wall. it is a standard left bath, so what ever the rough in would be is where it is at. 1 1/2 PVC goes south from the bath tub and makes a 90 bend east toward the main stack. The bath drain enters the stack below where the toilet drain enters it. the bath sink is about at the west wall of the bathroom, and about 3 feet from the north wall. It goes straight under the floor to the bath tub drain. Okay now for the basement, the room is about 14 feet west- east, and 11 feet north-south in the north east corner of the basement. Currently the toilet is straight east of the main stack about 2 feet. The floor drain is about 9 feet from the east wall and 2 feet from the north wall. There is about a 6-8 inch hole, with a smaller 1 1/2 hole in the center. the floor drain runs straight south to the main drain, or I assume so. I dumped water down it and I heard it through the toilet connection, the toilet is off. there is a shower in the north west corner of this room that drains in to the floor drain, and the washer is in the north east corner, and draining in to the floor drain. the only vent in the house is the one off the top of the main stack. It is some rough black plastic stuff. My proposed basement area layout is to move the toilet so it is 13 inches from the west wall, and 18 inches from the south wall. still using the 14x11 room size. I will be installing a 37 x 19 vanity top, and that will be against the west wall, and 36 inches from the south wall, so it is north of the toilet. North of the vanity I will have a 48x48 shower with the drain in the center of it. East of the shower will be the washer it is 27 wide and about 32 deep. East of that is the dryer. Across from the vanity, on the east wall will be a laundry sink. if my layout isn't clear, I will try to get my wife to draw one up. Thanks for your help. Michael

The placement of the new deck door and the windows in your space, plus its long, narrow-ish shape make your kitchen an interesting puzzle, especially given what you want. I think I got it all, save the desk. Few people put desks in kitchens these days. Do you really need one? Could you not put one elsewhere, out of the busy kitchen zone? Oh, I also didn't find room for the prep sink but I don't think you need one in this plan. Anyhoo, how about this idea: Blue letter legend A is for appliance garage - mixer, etc. B is for baking center. Not a large space but adequate and given the window right there, it would be a bright place to roll out dough. (I swear I didn't plan out that the letter legend equaled what they stood for. That's just how it worked out, so to continue in this vein....) C (the blue one) is for cabinetry, 18" deep, below the counter. Use this to store seldom used items such as holiday platters, etc. Black letter legend: O - oven/MW column F - fridge C - cook top P - pantry cabs T - trash pull-out This plan gives you landing place for items coming from oven, fridge and pantries. The fridge is easily accessible from new deck door or from the rest of the house *without* crossing into the cook zone, which is a good thing. Your sink is under the large window (not quite centered but close). There's a nice stretch of counter between sink and cook top for prep work. And you get your cook top in a pseudo-island with 4 seats nearby with a nice buffer (the under-counter cabs) between diners and hot stuff on the cook top. I rounded the counter edge to reduce the lunch counter feel and to make conversation easier between the 1st and 4th diner. You could deepen the curve a bit more, just know that it makes accessing the cabs under the counter a bit less convenient. It's already hands and knees access so not sure a few more inches of counter overhang will make much difference. The counter overhang should line up roughly with the edge of the ceiling beam, which is a nice visual from the front door. The peninsula counter ends a few inches before the slider begins, keeping that traffic area clear. Traffic can move smoothly through this space, from deck door to kitchen to fridge to DR to slider without any major kitchen zones in the way - or at least in the way on the inside track of traffic. I know how kids cut corners when they are in a hurry. ;-) Bathroom to kitchen and foyer to kitchen traffic is slightly redirected because of the peninsula but I don't think that's a big deal. The generous aisles - 47" and 50" - will mean fewer chances of 2 adults, 2 kids and 2 dogs tripping over each other (or so we can hope). Designate a 10' area on the right side of that large room for your dining table and chairs. You'll still have about 5' clearance between that area and the peninsula counter, which would help with traffic flow through the space - think LR to new slider. Plus, plenty of room to expand the table when you have company over. Oh, one more thing. If the oven and or fridge cabs can be narrower than I show them on the drawing (30" ovens may fit into a 30" wide cabinet, depends on mfg and cabinet line), then you can increase the sink cab from 33" to 36".

You don't have enough space on the left side of the sink. I would move switch the 15" drawer stack on the left with the DW, then then have an 18" trash pullout + 15" + 24". Unless you move your main sink off the island, I don't think you gain anything with a prep sink b/c there's really no useful place for it. As to sink width...I have a 2-bowl (70/30) sink with the larger bowl 21.5" wide and I find it wide enough for all my cookie sheets, all my pots & pans (including handles), all my casserole dishes, my Venta-A-Hood squirrel cage, and all but one of my refrigerator bins & shelves. (The 36" or so deli-bin & shelf above are the only two things that do not fit flat in my sink.) So, if you have a 30" wide sink, I think you'll be fine. However, I don't really see a need to downsize your sink base. "...66'' on that side, which certainly accomdates 36'' for prep and 'leaves' 30'' for clean up..." No, it won't work that way. You will have dirty dishes in the way of prepping and in the way of trying to use the sink while prepping. Additionally, dirty dishes will spread into your "prep zone" so you don't really have two workable zones. You need to separate the Cleanup Zone from the Prep Zone. In your case, the best way to do it is to have the sink b/w them. So... 24" DW on left + sink --> Cleanup Zone --> 26" or so of workspace on the left side of the sink sink + 18" trash pullout + 39" --> Prep Zone --> 59" or so of workspace on the right side of the sink If you want more space on the left, you could do... 12" cutting board/tray storage + 24" DW + sink --> Cleanup Zone --> 38" or so on the left side of the sink sink + 18" trash pullout + 27" drawer base --> Prep Zone --> 47" or so on the right side of the sink Either scenario gives you enough prep & cleanup space. BTW...a 3" pullout, even a filler pullout, is really only "good" if you're using it as "filler" where you cannot fit another cabinet or merge the space into another cabinet. A much better use of space is to merge that 3" pullout with adjoining cabinets (like I merged it with a 15" cabinet to make an 18" trash pullout). I also second Rosie's comment about working over a "steaming DW". I would not want a DW in the middle of my Prep Zone b/c (1) I wouldn't want to prep over a running DW, (2) I wouldn't want to have to dodge a sometimes open DW, (3) I wouldn't want to compete for space above the DW b/c that space is both Cleanup & Prep Zone space. In our home, loading or unloading the DW is often being done while prepping is going on. BTW...the layout you show for your island isn't quite 10'...it's shy by 3". Does that mean the aisle b/w your island and table is really 43"? I hope so b/c that aisle is pretty narrow given you have seating on it (table seating). Island layout shown in your first post: 1.5" overhang + 15" + 33" + 24" DW + 15" + 3" + 24" + 1.5" overhang = 117"

How deep is your table? I don't think you have the depth to accommodate a table and two sets of standard depth cabs/counters (25.5") on both sides and have decent aisles around the table. At best, 12" deep cabinets may fit. I would consider closed cabinets and use them as your pantry...unless you have a separate reach-in/step-in/walk-in pantry elsewhere...do you? Where is the refrigerator? I assume you will have more than that small table since you mention a "kitchen table for casual eating" and the table in the picture isn't really usable for that, especially if there is more than one or two of you. The table should have a minimum of 48" b/w it and the items that stick out into the aisle the farthest on the perimeters (appliance handles, counter edges, etc.) Since all three primary work aisles are along one wall and that's where most of the Kitchen work will take place, then I recommend more than a 48-inch aisle on that side...I would go with 54", at least. 48" should be fine on the other side if there are no counters (which means no one will be trying to work there). If there are counters, then I would want more than 48" on that aisle as well. What Patricia is asking for is similar to below: