Remodel estimate - Is painting usually included in a contractor's est?
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Comments (9)The easiest way to save money on a remodel is to learn to DIY the job or portions of the job. Almost anyone can paint. Tiling something basic isn't that difficult either. If you have friends or family that have done their own remodels (and they look OK!), ask them about swapping labor for something you do well as a hobby or for a profession. Bartering services or goods works with contractors as well. Maybe he doesn't have such a great website, and you're a web guru. Maybe his parents have a 50th wedding anniversary coming up, and you're a great caterer or cake baker or florist It never hurts to ask to see if something like that could be worked out. Or, GC it yourself by hiring the subcontractors directly. You will need electrical work, plumbing work, tile work, and drywall work, and some general demolition/labor in this remodel. Break down the job into those components and approach electricians, plumbers, tilers, etc. about doing those jobs directly. Above all, do not settle for someone doing a substandard job with materials that you do not like. This will probably not get done again, unless it's done wrong now. You've got to be sure that doesn't happen, and not trust any contractor to actually know what he's doing. Make sure that you educate yourself enough about the non pretty guts of the job that YOU know how things are going to be waterproofed, for instance. And don't pick materials just because they are cheap and you can afford them. Materials are the lowest expenditure on most jobs, and even a month or two more of saving before the job is tackled can allow you to use materials that you really LOVE. You CAN do a pretty bath on a budget with inexpensive materials, but you have to be more creative in how you use those materials and you have to be willing to do the footwork of searching for them....See MoreContractor $100,000 over budget on major remodel-- options???
Comments (14)That's good info to know about the benefits of cost plus, as I wasn't really aware of why you would do one versus the other. We have been disciplined if bids came in high (e.g. we changed our AC because that bid did come in high and we modified our trim materials to stay on budget), but all of the other bids have been pretty spot on or in some cases even less than was budgeted for (e.g. electrical, plumbing, roofing, siding materials, tile, floor refinishing, cabinets, gutters were what we expected and had budgeted for). Countertops were $2000 over budget, but that's really the only sub-contracted thing that was more than expected (and that's a fairly minor amount given how far over we are). It's really his labor cost that off. For example, we exceeded the budget for siding because it took him months to finish it, in part because he only had two guys working on it many days, which meant one would often be on the side of the house, and for each cut the other guy would have to crawl through a window, make the cut, crawl back though, and this inefficiency just added a lot of time and cost. We talked to him about this, but at the time he assured us we were on budget. There were also similar issues with framing. It was only months after all this that he told us that we're way over budget. Given that we've started doing so much work ourselves, I'm just not sure what else we could have done to prevent this other than going with fixed cost. I have a hard time believing that he didn't know that we were over budget until 6+ months into the project, and I wish that he would have let us know earlier, but I'm not sure there would have been a good option even if he had let us know. It is was it is now, so hopefully we'll be able to figure something out with him....See MoreBathroom Remodel Estimate
Comments (5)I'm doing a remodel in Los Angeles and it's high cost area. Also, the trades are incredibly busy so even finding someone skilled is hard. I only wound up with one firm bid and went with it because my designer had worked with him before; I had seen his work in my building as well as for other people so I would probably have gone with him anyway since I knew his work and my designer said, based on her experience, any other bids wouldn't have been lower. That said, it's a bit difficult to break out my costs since plumbing and other work also includes my kitchen. However, my baths are small as is my kitchen (an 8' x 10') galley and there is minimal tile work in my kitchen - a backsplash is about it and the counters are just straight for baths and kitchens so not a lot of detailed slab fabrication. I am not changing any layouts for plumbing in baths or kitchen - swapping the current tub/shower combo for a larger shower in the master and eliminating one sink in the master bath but footprints of everything remain the same. I am supplying all materials except the discretionary materials -I'm supplying toilets, faucets. fixtures, tiles, hooks and everything else that relates to what the bathrooms look like. Tile work is $13,000 (not including tile of course which I am supplying). Tile shower, tile floors and tile walls up to the usual height. Plumbing is budgeted for $7000 - again no major changes Electrical is budgeted at $8000 - but probably proportionately less for electrical in the bathrooms than other parts of my condo Shower Enclosures - $4250 - (glass and hardware for frameless is being supplied by GC in accordance with the specs from my designer) Does not include vanity installation as the cabinets as well as installation are being done by a third party. Standard GC overhead is 18% which is $5800 just on these items So I'm at $38,050 more or less since plumbing/electrical also covers other aspects of my remodel and of course that's without any fixtures, tiles or whatever - essentially just labor. With materials I am supplying, let's just say that Sophie's estimates of costs for a bathroom are not out of line - and my bathrooms are small compared to most :-)...See MoreFull house remodel Estimates
Comments (31)Whole-house remodels are a pain to estimate. I would rather estimate the cost to build two new homes than a single whole-house remodel. One approach is to divide the overall scope into a series of smaller remodeling projects where the cost to execute each is estimated based on similar projects. So the quoted price is the sum total cost of a (similar) kitchen remodel, a (similar) bath remodel, a (similar) master bath remodel, etc. This approach precludes any line-item scrutiny of the estimate which is probably a fool's errand anyway because different remodelers will include different tasks under different line items. For example, one might have a line item for demolition that includes any required drywall demolition and another might have the demolition included in a drywall line item because they or their trade partner performs both the demolition and installation of drywall. That said, each quotation should make clear what is included for fixtures, appliances, cabinetry, etc. either by stating the specific make/model information or as a cost allowance. Best wishes for a successful project....See Moreraee_gw zone 5b-6a Ohio
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