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Darker & clearer color on Duchesse de Brabant

3 years ago

I just took this picture - it is not enhanced at all - actually what it looked like. Usually the blooms on DdB are much paler than this. Perhaps because it is Spring? Anyway, so striking I thought I would share -

Jackie

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K S 7b Little Rock (formerly of Seattle)
3 years ago
Beautiful Jackie! Thank you for sharing with us. :)
noseometer...(7A, SZ10, Albuquerque)
3 years ago
Oh wow. Gorgeous.
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Thanks for the lovely compliments, Jin and Comtesse! Sorry about jumping into your thread without mentioning how lovely your Duchesse de Brabant is, Caflowerluver. Jin, yours is looking fabulous too. It’s grown so much, and is blooming like gang busters! I had AT&T here all afternoon yesterday, installing my Direct TV. They sent over another man, who was “here to go over my plan” with me. He managed to talk me into switching my wireless phone over over. I was very hesitant, but he pretty much had me when he said the new IPhone XR had a way better camera and had 4 times the storage capacity as my current phone. I’m always filling my phone with rose and flower pictures. lol I also managed to get him to agree to set everything up on the new phone, and make sure I was comfortable with it before I agreed. As soon as I had it in my hands, I insisted on posting a picture to the forum to see if it worked properly. Caflowerluver, your ‘Duchesse de Brabant’ post was the first one I could find that I knew I had a recent, appropriate picture for, in my photo library. I quickly posted the picture, but didn’t have time to write much else, with him looking over my shoulder. She’s been a great bloomer for me, in spite of a powdery mildew problem. I would have planted her in some afternoon shade, had I known she’d appreciate it. Nevertheless, she’s lovely, and I wouldn’t be without her. Lisa
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debbym, Tempe, AZ Zone 9
3 years ago
I so love the Duchess and yours is beautiful!!
jerijen
3 years ago
I'm finding that rose colors are wildly variable, in this time.
HU-284226487
3 years ago
Ooooh and Ahhhh. Your Tea photo is sooo voluptuous!

My D. de B. gets more vividly colored when the nights get cooler as they have been recently, I shiver when the temps get down to 46 degrees F.. I once complained on the phone about being cold on such a night to a friend in Alaska and she asked me "Do you mean above or below?"

I'll think twice before mentioning I'm looking for my down jacket when its not snowing anywhere near where I live in California.

Lux.
Alana8aSC
3 years ago
Just beautiful!!❤
BirdsLoveRosesSoCalCoast
3 years ago
Ooohhh...so pretty. I had to look it up on HMF to see other photos. You should really put your photos there, Jackie. Anyway, what I always look for in a Tea is the turned back "quilled"? petals as they age. I'm really not a fan of the pointy triangular shape they can become. But this one doesn't seem to do that. It seems to keep it's rounded shape. I see some turning back of petals, but it's pretty, not triangular.

Another thing they mention is the powdery mildew. Jackie, your climate is similar to mine, I think. We tend to be about 10 degrees warmer in the winter than San Francisco, but don't get really hot in the summer. Except for the weird heat wave now and again, but we don't stay hot in the summer due to the "June Gloom". My question for you is how is the disease resistance for this one?
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
3 years ago
BLR,

This rose is so gorgeous in real life, it's one I'm considering replacing. Here it is beautiful in a pot, but it may get too large for that in CA.these pics were taken in Oct. Ignore Archduke Charles photo-bombing! LOL!
jacqueline9CA
Original Author
3 years ago
Here is another pic of the same bush from a slightly different angle.

Birds love roses - Almost none of my tea roses get that "quilled" look when they are fully open. This DdB does sometimes get powdery mildew in a wet Spring, but this year we are in a serious drought (again), and it has no mildew. I guess that is a benefit of a drought - there are not many. Even when it does get a little mildew, I don't spray it, and the mildew disappears as our hot/dry summers get going.

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ladybug A 9a Houston area
3 years ago
last modified: 3 years ago
Mine are darker this year too....she had a lot of damage from the polar vortex so I had to prune and I was not sure what would happen but doing well so far.

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