Sniff sniff. I smell horsepucky. Oh there it is. It's coming from the MIL's direction.

I'm gonna guess that the doctor and the MIL are watching and reading fake news.

I would tell her that now she has two things to wait for. Getting the vax and seeing the kid.

Maybe you punched the wrong key, Lone Jack, and it felt like ....

.... "llll"?

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A friend of mine asked his doctor his opinion on receiving the vaccine, and the doctor prefaced his answer by saying that what he was about to say was his opinion only, not a recommendation. He then said he was going to wait a while before getting the vaccine to see what side effects manifested.

gardengal - mine was done at a mass location in a huge warehouse bigger than a football field. Very organized and spread out. They had 17 queues set up with cones 10' apart where you waited to get jabbed after checking in. Only 5 of the queues were staffed when I was there but the guy that gave me the shot said they had all 17 of the queues open a few weeks ago when they gave out over 3000 vaccines in one day to teachers. Today he said they were only doing about 800.

Lone Jack...thanks for the laugh!!!

I think your daughter is correct to protect her son, and agree that her husband should be fending off his mother. This has potential to be a long pattern of behavior and a problem for them in their marriage. I speak from experience. Are your daughter and SIL vaccinated yet, themselves?

seagrass

My son in law got his first dose last week, my daughter is scheduled for her first dose tomorrow.

"I know there isn't years of research"

Yes, there was. There was years and years of research that went into being able to roll out the vaccine for Covid so quickly. The research for the vaccines for Covid were in development years before the pandemic began.

"Years before the COVID-19 pandemic began, experts at the NIH Vaccine Research Center (VRC) were studying coronaviruses to find out how to protect against them. The scientists chose to focus on one “prototype” coronavirus and create a vaccine for it. That vaccine could then be customized to fight different coronaviruses."

From the National Institute of Health, plus a whole lot of other sources:

https://covid19.nih.gov/research-highlights/vaccine-development

Some only listen to, what they want to hear.👂

Doesn’t pass the smell test. Got a feeling this is not her first rodeo. Imagine this MIL has been trouble since beginning of marriage. Hope she is not one of these,”all about me” folks. Hope son will take reins and stop her foolishness.

Lonejack, a friend of mine got his shot at a mass vaccination site. He called when waiting for his observation period to be up so I could cheer with him....he was so excited to have gotten the shot earlier than he had expected at his younger (59) age.

He said they had put a sticker with the time vaccine injected on his windshield, and told him to 'honk' if he felt distressed ;0) He didn't become distressed. #2 is the end of this week and he's so grateful. He does a lot of the hands on care for his diabetic 81 yr old mother who has had open heart surgery in the last few years - he wanted to be safer (even though she is vaccinated).

yeah, I have a feeling the MIL hasn't spoken to her doc at all. Her son should be telling her: No vaccine, no in person grandkids. Too bad, so sad. (And hopefully he doesn't make your daughter do the heavy lifting here, as often happens with marital/in-law boundaries....)

There are some looney doctors out there. A couple were hired by a politician. Doctors are not automatically smart, sensible or correct. And I'll give a bet that it's a political thing.

There are some looney doctors out there. A couple were hired by a politician.

And some are politicians.

Yes, surprisingly I have. A friend of mine is debating as she has some serious and unusual health issues. She said her dr was giving her both sides, but not recommending either way for her...it's up to her. So she asked if he's getting the vaccine, and after a moment he said, No. She also has a brother who is with an orthopedic group in the midwest and she said none of the drs there will be getting the vaccine unless required to by law. I asked why and she said that they all agreed that a full test of a vaccine requires up to 7 years to determine safety, so they don't feel this one has been tested enough. She is still debating but is not a wacko anti-vaxxer at all.

Obviously I was very surprised, I am getting vaccinated, DH already has and we are fully on board with it. But to answer the OPs question...there it is.

My dental hygienist said she was going to wait until more people have been vaccinated because it's "new," and was "rushed." I was like "what the heck?" She's also a supporter of the other guy. I explained to her how it's not new, the research has been in the making for YEARS. I provided some sources for her to read for herself.

Then on my way out I told my dentist I didn't want her working on me if she's not going to get vaccinated, nor do I want any of the other hygienists to either if they're not getting vaccinated. I asked my dentist if he'd been vaccinated, and he said he had been.

There are very well educated, reputable doctors that are more cautious than the PC cohort. That's just a fact. The judgement from lay people is interesting. Time will tell.

we have several local couples/friends that had the rona .... bad cases; several were hospitalized for a few days [3-6] and were discharged. after they were home for a couple weeks and better, they were advised to wait 60-90 days before getting the vaccine

I don’t have time to scroll back to all the comments, but we are dealing with similar stupidity in our extended family. My first grandchild was born during this crazy year. He’ll be 9 months by old this month.

Her husband works 6 weeks on/4 weeks off. Because of that, I NEEDED, to be in her “bubble” to help her. I also am my 92 yo mother’s caregiver. It’s been a rough year for me. Really super stressful. We needed to be super vigilant around here. We are strict. We’ve kept each other safe through the thick of it here in NYC.

As of this moment, we’ve either received both (my mom, son-in-law) or due for our second this month. Except my son, who can’t sign up till April 6.

My daughter sees people posting photos of themselves having big get-togethers! Then they ask why they can’t see the baby. And by “see” the baby, they mean hold.

My MIL and some of his family have been playing games with mask wearing, visiting....

Rose, the way I see it, the MIL has made a choice. It’s clear. Your daughter and son-in-law are being smart and careful. She wants a delay, that comes with a delay in visiting with the baby. Their choice.

At the same time that there has been a widespread recurrence of opening up and inadequate distancing and masking continues to be prevalent new strains have driven the COVID hospitalizations in Toronto for instance up to the highest number so far. So much so that they are about to run out of beds. And a 4 week lockdown is planned.

Meanwhile my State does not have nearly enough shots to meet the current demand, I qualified yesterday but am on a waiting list at the nearest clinic operated by my HMO. And signing up for shots from multiple different sources has been recommended in order to increase the likelihood of getting one anytime soon. If my waiting on my HMO drags on I may have to try elsewhere myself.

BC went into a 3-week circuit breaker lockdown on Monday at midnight. I get my first shot this afternoon. I will be glad when I have it. My DH got his 2 weeks ago and our kids are thrilled that we will both be vaccinated. It won't allow us to change our behaviour but we're just glad to have it.

Embothrium,

I too had been signed up to receive vaccine in numerous agencies, with not so much as a text or phone or even email that my turn was anywhere near. A friend in a different state sent a link to me that identified how to find another path to vaccination. I tired that and boom, I got my shot a couple days ago. At a local grocery store's pharmacy. They even set up my appt for 2nd shot. I just tried to link it for you, but I see it's for CA only :( I'm in a rural Nor Cal location that is not seeing the massive drive-thru shot-a-thons I've seen on the news for metro areas.

I would suggest going to websites for pharmacies in your area to try and get an appt that way. Of our local pharmacies (3), one had appts available. I had to wait a couple of days after I put myself on the schedule! Amazing. See if you can do something like that.

Edit to add: I've been putting myself on vaccine lists since January, with no response of any kind. Now I have a first dose making this Thursday rather crummy and scheduled for 2nd dose later this month.

"Meanwhile my State does not have nearly enough shots to meet the current demand"

I find this a bit hard to accept :-) I live in the same state and everyone I know that is eligible under the phasing has received at least one, if not both, of their injections. But it has only been since early March that these numbers have ramped up. Prior to that there was the same shortage that impacted all parts of the country.

Perhaps MIL should press the MD who told her to wait to get the vaccine. Surely he doesn't think MIL (or any other unvaccinated person) is '100% good to go' to hug and kiss others, including her grandchild.

The shortage may be similar to what is happening here. Rural areas seem to have an abundance of shots but the less rural areas are having so many people wanting the shots that there is a longer waiting list. While I received my first shot already this morning from a site I signed up on two months ago just notified me this morning that I could sign up. I found it somewhat sad that this second site has no method to signify that I had already started the series. The next appointment from the new site would have been in May. Both would make lack of and overabundance of shots true depending on the area of the state the reports are coming from.

maifleur - the mass location I went to yesterday in Riverside sure seemed to be cranking out the vaccine at a very rabid pace averaging around 1000 a day. The only drawback I saw was limited parking but once inside it was very well organized, spread out, and the queues moved fast.

I agree that the availability is increasing rapidly.

"Rural areas seem to have an abundance of shots but the less rural areas are having so many people wanting the shots that there is a longer waiting list."

Is this not simply a result of the relative magnitude of the numbers? One day's shipment for an urban area could provide a one month supply to many counties worth of rural and thinly populated areas. Also, the effort to provide the personnel and facilities to administer vaccines differs significantly between one county with a population of 50,000 (or less) versus one with millions of people. You could argue where the preference for distribution should be given one direction versus another but hopefully everyone will have an opportunity in the coming weeks and months.

Talk to Governor Parson about that one Elmer because according to what he keeps stating he is the one who is directing where the vaccines go. Nor is he allowing vaccines to shift to surrounding locations.

If you want to make comments that pertain only to where you are, you should label them as such. People here are from all over. I don't have any particular interest in any one state over any other but we all know that each place is doing it differently.

Sorry Elmer just stop reading what I post and you will be happier. What I posted extends beyond my state to rural vs urban areas if you bother to read beyond your small area of the country. You asked me why something is happening and for at least here it is the governor. Since most states the distribution is via the state offices the governor's offices would be the area to ask questions of so have at it.

Governor Parson is the governor of many different states or controls what's happening outside of Missouri? No. Not the first time you've extended your world to everyone else's.

Governors don't work on vaccine distribution. Most states have Public Health departments that do the actual work. Politicians do set political priorities and take advice from experts to do so. Normally.

I find this a bit hard to accept

Like many of the things I post it's not a secret. Do you ever watch or listen to local news broadcasts, for instance?

The source of the MIL’s vaccine hesitancy doesn’t really matter. Daughter and son-in-law need to decide what is best for their son and them, and then apply those criteria consistently. If their decision is that in-person visits are reserved for those who are vaccinated, that’s it. Full stop. No justifications, no arguments. On the other side, they should not try to influence the MIL’s decisions about vaccination. Zoom is a wonderful thing if MIL isn’t vaccinated. I suspect the vaccine question is the latest in a typical in-law push/pull dynamic. Refusing to play the game is hard, but it breaks the cycle eventually.

Because much of what you post is presented in the most negative light possible. I live only a few miles away, yet my experience with the same issues differs so radically as to think we live in completely different countries!

And I do watch the local news but a TV station or newspaper is also not the most reliable source for accuracy. In case you hadn't noticed, they lean to sensationalism as well.

Two months ago when I first started hunting for the vaccine, I signed up with the WA DOH and receive daily updates from them. According to yesterday's (4/1) update, 3.4 million vaccines have been given to a total population of 7.7 million. That's 44% that have been vaccinated! So where is the big scarcity? And as of 4/15, the vaccines will be available to anyone over the age of 16!

I'm looking at vaccination appointments at CVS pharmacies in Virginia. "No appointment available" in the whole state except for three locations: two are extremely rural, the third is more populated but has been hard hit economically for decades.

My own health district opened to Group 1c today, and per the Governor the state will open to "everyone over age 16" in two weeks. Two weeks is not much time to vaccinate those in group 1c (mostly people who work in public-serving jobs), so I'm not holding my breath.

Nickel, per my friend's experience in Arizona, CVS told her to go to the CVS vaccine portal early every morning and check availability. She said that CVS opened up appointment slots as vaccine was acquired. I was with my friend when we stopped at a CVS and asked. 'Early' as in 6 am.

Rural areas seem to have an abundance of shots but the less rural areas are having so many people wanting the shots that there is a longer waiting list.
https://covidvaccine.mo.gov/supply/

According to the link, the vaccine is being allocated equitably in Missouri. Allocated regionally--if a region represents 15% of the state population, the region gets 15% of available vaccine doses. How else would you do it?

Of course more densely populated areas make more noise and have access to the media bullhorns to amplify.

I hear it all the time in online Lyme disease communities. I usually stay away from these groups for the most part for a couple of reasons, but I've been visiting lately because so many Lyme sufferers are on the fence about getting vaccinated. Members often post about this, asking if others got the shots and how well they did. I'm happy to reassure them that I got the shots and did very well.

But some people respond that they're not getting the shots because their doctors told them not to. Some cite the reason as an inability to predict long-term consequences. But as Joan pointed out above, we know some of the long-term consequences of Covid, and none of us would want those.

It's hard to know if these people are telling the truth because Covid has brought the anti-vaxxers out in full force. And boy, are they LOUD! I get the impression they'll say anything to stop people from getting vaccinated. One said I was a liar for claiming I was fine after the shots.

LOL! I have an otherwise intelligent adult niece who is an anti-vaxxer and is convinced Bill Gates is behind some sinister conspiracy to microchip us all via the vaccines.

I just don't get it :-)

btw, this same niece has breast cancer (apparently in remission, we hope) and has opted to treat it via nontraditional, non-medical means. The family worries a lot about that as well.

I'm looking at vaccination appointments at CVS pharmacies in Virginia. "No appointment available" in the whole state except for three locations:

nickel, it's the same here in the Philadelphia area. The heavily-populated 'collar counties' around the city got much less vaccine supply than more rural areas, and it's been a ridiculously mad scramble to find appointments. Things are improving, but the state is opening up vaccinations to everyone over 16 beginning April 19th, when even more of a mad scramble will ensue. I'm not yet 65, and am not holding my breath, either.

A relative by marriage is a psychiatrist. She talks about microchips, too! She won't allow her preteen and teen children to get the Covid vaccinations. She's tried to convince her parents against them. (They did get them, as did her DH, as did all her elderly uncles, who are all MD's.) These cults are terrifying in their hold on people who should *know* better.

Washington gets a limited supply of vaccine and we don’t yet have enough for everyone. Here are some answers about how we allocate our limited supply across the state.

COVID-19 Vaccine Distribution Plan :: Washington State Department of Health

ci_lantro, thanks for the tip that CVS's "early" is 6AM -- I'm willing to set my alarm!

As for distribution, I don't know of any way more equitable than population. But if any area is consistently not using up its allocation, I hope that is taken into account when more vaccine is received.

Do all the "microchip wary people" carry cellphones? Is so, they're being tracked. Duh

rob333, that is too much of a logical thought process for those microchip conspiracy folks to follow :-)

I booked my Pfizer booster shot for April 27. April 21 would have been 3 weeks but I'm going to be down at the lake fishing that day and the 4 days following.

Do you get the microchip on the first shot or the second? I'll be heading into the woods mushroom hunting before I get my booster and would like to know if they will be able to track me if I get lost.

Chisue, this relative is a psychiatrist, as in a medical doctor?