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Comments (29)Ok, the wife couldn't make it two days walking around the island. It's gone. I also remeasured everything in the kitchen and found that several measurements were off. Here is an updated sketch w/o cabinets. I noted where the passthrough would be, it is currently marked with a 3" overhang on each side. The wife and I were playing around with some ideas, and here are a few she came up with... Appliances: Sub Zero 650/S Fridge (36x27x84) Electrolux EW30EW65GS Double Oven Samsung 80F800 Dishwasher Edgestar TWR282S-KF Wine Cooler (18" wide) 36" Gas Rangetop (Still Deciding between Capital, Wolf and Dacor) This evening she said that she thinks she would like a "simple passthrough" into the dining room. So, just a few inch overhang on each side so we can put dishes. She also liked the idea of a breakfast nook for the kids. Maybe a bench seat under the window, or a corner bench. Maybe something like this to get some some more color in the kitchen? So, she's opened up on the idea of things, and losing the island. So that's good. Notice she still hasn't moved the appliances much. She is very stuck in her ways, and does not like change. So, if cooktop next to the double oven is why, please tell me why. *I* liked the cooktop between the windows, but not sure that's feasible with the nook idea. FYI, there isn't much to look at outside the windows. The neighbor's driveway is just a few feet past the windows, so we just stare at the side of their house. We get great light though....See MoreCould use some help with reviewing kitchen design
Comments (14)Thank you for the feedback, yes, definitely food for thought. When you say "range", do you mean "range top"? That's a possibility. It would restrict my cooking choices, though. I use the oven all the time (both cooking and baking), and in fact I feel limited by the fact that I only have a single oven. I can almost forgo the microwave. I really only need it to warm up milk for the kids or to thaw ingredients from the freezer without having to wait for a long time. We currently have a 42" side-by-side fridge/freezer, and the limitations for our family are painful. I am constantly running down two floors to go to the fridge in the garage. We really hope to eliminate those trips. That's also the reason for the trash compactor. We have one right now, and it's amazing how many annoying trips up and down the stairs it saves me. It would be painful to give up. Counter space is probably OK, as it is actually an improvement over what we have right now. But you might be right, that this unduly biases me, and maybe more counter space would be appreciated, if I had it....See MoreNeed some feedback on kitchen design
Comments (31)Wow, that's really innovative and thinking outside the box. Thank you so much for all the renderings. I wish we were still in the framing or planning stage. I've seen some walk through wet bars in model homes that kind of look like your giant walk through pantry, but I've never envisioned it in my house. Hubby says what we have is what we have and we have to stick to it. He says the fridge can't be moved due to plumbing/wiring already in place. I'll have to do the best with the layout we have and maximize on the counter space (21" on either side of the stove which should be sufficient since I just read that bare minimum is 15" and I know that's just safety code bare minimum so ideally it'd be like 24-36", but it won't happen in my kitchen) and base drawers we have. My kitchen cabinets designer is helping me put in as many sets of base drawers as possible. It's not a custom cabinets place so there's some limitations....See MoreI need some kitchen design perspectives/suggestions
Comments (23)Two layouts. The first is an "L" with an island that seats 5. The second is similar to your idea, but it's a "U" with a peninsula that seats 6. Either would work, I don't even have a preference! (Usually, I do, but not this time.) Note: I don't know how easy it is to put plumbing in the island or peninsula, but if it's at all possible, I would! First, the sink wall is lengthened by building out the wall in the bumpout by 11". That gives you more and better dish storage as well as eliminates those angled cabinets and triangular shelves -- I wholeheartedly agree with you on those! There's no issue with building out the wall as that space is not really used. You still have 12" b/w the bumped out wall and the sliders. . Second, both have a Snack & Tea/Coffee Center in the former table space. It includes the MW, plenty of storage for snack dishes and snack food storage (gets them out of the pantry), and 30" deep counters...really nice space to set up a snack center! You could even keep a toaster on the counter or other items in addition to a coffeemaker or electric teakettle (can you tell I'm a tea drinker instead of coffee!) They would be out of sight from the front entry. The location puts it near the cleanup sink for dirty dishes or water access, close to the main Kitchen area, and near the Family Room for snacking. I don't know how much space you have to work with b/w the Kitchen and Laundry/Powder Room, but it looks like at least 6 to 8 feet, maybe even more. The width could be tailored to fit your available space. . While I put in a MW drawer, you could also put a MW on the counter or hang it from the upper cabinets. However, I like the drawer b/c it will be easy for your twins to use it when they get old enough without having to get a chair (much safer!) MW drawers are easy to use and, in my experience, last much longer than countertop or OTR MWs. (My first one lasted 11 years and only died b/c of "user error"...i.e., I killed it. We replaced it with a second one and it was, literally, "plug & play", a very easy DIY to remove and replace.) (You can use the child-lock on the MW drawer until your twins are older.) . You have plenty of space for a decent sized table as well as island or peninsula seating, so take advantage of it! While island seating is OK for quick meals or snacks, a table is really best for family meals for family bonding, etc., when the twins get older. It's also much more comfortable for long-term seating. . The island or peninsula will work well when they have friends over after school for an after-school snack. It will also work well for homework, something I would not recommend if the range was on the island/peninsula. You also have a nice expanse of space for larger tasks such as baking, decorating cookies, science projects, wrapping gifts, etc. Yes, there's a sink in both, but since they're not centered, you have plenty of workspace. . The peninsula seating has two different overhang depths. 18" and 15" (the minimum recommended clear leg/knee space for counter-height seating), The 18" would be nice if anyone is tall or has long legs. (I wish we had done 18"...we did 15". We're at relatively tall family, ranging from 5'10" (me) to 6'7" (my son). Even I would have liked an inch or so more.) The island seating overhang is 15" deep on both sides. You probably could expand it to 18" on the short side. If you move the table 3" closer to the window. . How far from the wall is the front door? There was no measurement, so I didn't know what was available. What's on the other side of that wall next to the front door? I was wondering if you could fit a closet in that wall. Recess it into whatever room is behind it, maybe. Or, if there's space, work it into the new Dining Room. Maybe even create some kind of separation there. However, without more details, I don't know what will/will not work. . The three primary work zones (Prep, Cooking, Cleanup) are nicely separated and allow for several people to be working in the Kitchen at the same time -- prepping, baking, cooking, cleaning up. This is especially important with growing children! At the same time, the zones are located that the work well for only one person working in the Kitchen. Prep Zones...both have at least two Prep Zones with water access and, possibly another couple without direct water access. The Cleanup Zone could also be used as a (third) Prep Zone with water if no one is cleaning up or unloading the DW, or if there are no dirty dishes on the counter. The primary Prep Zone is in the most desirable space and has the trash pullout. However, the trash pullout is accessible from the other Prep Zones and the Cleanup Zone. (You generate far more trash & recyclables and for a longer period of time than in the Cleanup Zone, so it makes the most sense to have the trash pullout in the Prep Zone. My biggest regret in my Kitchen -- I put my trash/recycle pullout in the Cleanup Zone across a 6' aisle from my Prep Zone and I regret it every single day!) When the twins get older, you will appreciate the extra Prep Zones as you (or your DH) are teaching them to cook and cleanup. Cooking Zone...the range is against I assume is an exterior wall based on your sketch. It makes it easier to vent to the outside. It's also in the most protected area of the Kitchen -- very desirable! It's location b/w the prep sink and cleanup sink in the peninsula layout and next to the cleanup sink & across from the prep sink in the island layout is ideal for multiple-cooks. Cleanup Zone...Dish storage is next to the DW so it's easy to unload the DW. In addition, with the dish storage on the perimeter and away from the Prep & Cooking Zones, anyone setting the table will not get in the way of those prepping/cooking/baking. It's also a straight shot to the workspace in the Cleanup Zone from the Dining Room when clearing the table. Refrigerator...is on the perimeter so someone getting a snack or getting condiments for the table will not get in the way of those working in the Kitchen. It's also close to the Prep & Cooking Zones where it's used the most while preparing a meal. It's better located in the island layout, but it's not too bad in the peninsula layout. Microwave...see the above bulleted list. The info about its location is the same as for the refrigerator above. Here they are! ....See Moreeverdebz
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