Could use some help with reviewing kitchen design
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7 years agoThank you. That is helpful advice. I'll see what I can do, but I am travelling right now and all I have is a Chromebook, making things a little difficult. An accurate drawing might have to wait until the weekend.
I think, the best I can do for now, is a screenshot of the 3D model that I linked to above. Do you think that helps?
The room is 156" wide on both walls, but we lose about 35" or so on one side, because of the window having to remain accessible.
The "pantry" and the cabinet with the ovens is likely going to swap positions. The wall-mounted ovens (steam and microwave) are 18" wide, the range and the two freezer drawers on either side are 30" each. That leaves us with 48" for the pantry. We'll have to decide how to partition that space to be most useful, but I am sure we can figure it out.
On the other side (bottom of the picture), there is a 36" all-fridge, as narrow 1' cabinet (possibly drawers?), the dishwasher, and a trash compactor. And then we'll have about 32" for a divided sink. The picture shows a symmetric sink, but I think it'll ultimately be asymmetric. I suspect, it'll be a custom-built farmhouse style sink, possibly made from countertop material; but we need to talk with our architect/designer to narrow down on materials first.
I was wondering, if I might be able to use the top of trash compactor, as a built-in dish-draining area. Our countertops will be about 2" taller than normal, so that should allow for doing so. I wonder if the countertop installer can do this.
And of course, there obviously is space outside of the kitchen (i.e. on the right hand side of the picture). But that's were the dining room is going to be. We can "steal" some of the cabinet space for storage of less frequently used items. But that's about it. So, we can't really count on expanding the kitchen into the dining room.
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Comments (23)As requested earlier from Davidro who wanted to understand traffic flow, below is a whole house "sketch" which shows our first floor layout (upstairs is only a loft) and second diagram is where I'm at with regard to kitchen design after input from you guys and after Ikea consultant/designer who was at my home today gave as far as cabinets fitting. Also, from the earlier discussion, I had some confusion about whether I could relocate the washer/dryer to the hall. The contractor who visited today didn't have any problems with the relocation. It helps a lot that our foundation is "pier and beam". Moving plumbing around is a whole lot easier. New location of washer/dryer may be a bit claustrophobic in the hall way outside the bathroom but I only do laundry a couple times a week for short spurts. I'm in the kitchen a whole lot longer and since the relocation of washer/dryer is the only thing keeping me from having the kitchen layout I REALLY wanted from the beginning (barring the fact the pantry has gotten quite a bit smaller), I am a happy camper. I'm going to lie low a while and get our bathroom done and maybe a roof before I come back with any updates on the kitchen. And for anyone who is in doubt, the Ikea prices for all cabinets is half of what price was quoted for Innermost cabinets by Home Depot. And the Ikea quote includes several of the appliances though I'm not sure yet if that is how I will really go. But cabinets -yes - their prices are too good to pass up. The money we save can go for the bathroom we're getting that has a curbless shower, and several other expensive details which Ikea can't help us out on. I'll still be listening but hopefully everyone can see the aisles around the island are considerably wider (maybe even too wide with my feet problems). If I need more pantry space, I'm fairly sure that several of the drawers in the main part of the kitchen will not all be used so I can use them for pantry space spill over if there is any. THANKS AGAIN (though I will definitely be back - still need to pick out countertop/backsplash/flooring/hoodOverCooktop and make decisions about appliances..) And since I haven't marked it well, let me explain that there are upper cabinets on either side of the cooktop and also to the left of the fridge. No uppercabinets on the sides of the "cleanup sink" with the large 6 foot wide window. Think I may wait until kitchen is done and probably install some open floating shelves on either side of cleanup sink - more for esthetics than function but I think I can wait until the last minute for that. (Maybe even some art work...)...See MoreChallenging kitchen - could use some review
Comments (47)So I drew it up anyway, just for grins. ;-) I double-checked measurements so these should be fairly close to reality. I allocated 49-3/4" to the fridge and cabinet. Yes, right to the edge of the window. ;-) I also tweaked the look of the range wall so that it looks closer to how it will look IRL. That wall will look very nice with its large opening to the mudroom and windows on each side of the range, with roughly the same amount of counter on each side of the cook top: 24" to its left and 27.5" to its right. The only thing on that wall that will be above counter height will be the hood above the cook top. btw, putting the cook top on the perimeter will make venting it much easier and less expensive, which means you can free up money for more and/or larger windows and doorways. The wall ovens come out almost across from the upper edge of the island so it will be a convenient spot to plop down hot dishes. If you'd rather have counter top next to the ovens, you can split the cabinet in half - 20" for cabs and counter and 20" for pantry cab. From DR doorway, 20" pantry cab, oven cab, then cabs with counter. btw, you might end up with 2-3 more inches here - it all depends on the oven cab. I allocated 33" for it but you may only need a 30" cabinet. This alternative, btw, leaves a bit more buffer between open oven door and a kid barreling around the corner, headed for the fridge (as my hubby would say, they'd only do that once. Next time they are smarter. ;-) ). blfenton, I missed your earlier comments about the prep sink location. I'm not sure why you thought there were only 18" between cook top and corner. A Susan adds 12", plus the 20" cab (I hope I'm looking at the plan you were commenting on), that's 32", less 1.5" counter overhang, leaving 30.5" of counter to the right of the cook top. Yes, the prep sink was up against the Susan so there were only 12" or so to its left. I thought about scooting the prep sink farther down towards the fridge but then decided to leave it where it was so that it was a shorter distance to dump pots of boiling water. If the OP doesn't make a lot of pasta, this may not be a big deal. If it does move to the other end of the perimeter, I agree that putting an 18" trash pull-out between prep sink and fridge is a good idea. That way someone can be at the sink and not get smacked by an opening fridge door. Another alternative is to put an 18" trash pull-out next to the Susan, then prep sink. That would leave 28.5" to its left and 36" to its right. Tasks that need a large expanse of space can be done at the island. djMax, I can't remember if I wrote this already or not but I made the banquette bench 24" deep so that you have enough room to cushion its back as well as its seat. Oh, meant to add this suggestion sooner. If you want a wider opening to the mudroom but don't want to give up cab and counter space, you can do both. Have the cab to the left of the cook top extend into the opening like a peninsula. Just leave enough wall so that the hood doesn't look like it's teetering on the edge. (did someone already suggest that a good rule of thumb is to buy a hood 6" wider than your cook top or range?). This won't give you as balanced a look as the windows on each side of the range will. Not sure if that's a downside for you or not. One other tip: drawers. Much better for storage convenience than base cabinets, even with pull-outs. Costs more but I've never seen anyone post that they regret going for drawers over doors....See MoreAbout to remodel my kitchen. Could use some help/critique/thoughts
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7 years agolast modified: 7 years agoM
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7 years ago
mama goose_gw zn6OH
7 years agolast modified: 7 years agoI would definitely switch the pantry with the ovens, so that you have
landing space next to the ovens.The rolling cart is a good idea, but
what I would do is find a cart that is comfortable work table height,
which will probably be between 32-34", then put a support piece/ledger on
the side of the sink cabinet, and on the opposite wall, build a narrow
box, to support a cutting board, or wooden counter piece, made to fit
that space. The cart could be rolled to any spot in the kitchen, but the
wood cutting board would stay across the window. In an emergency it
could be removed to provide egress through the window, and it could also
be removed for thorough cleaning.
PROAnglophilia
7 years agodan1888
7 years ago
cpartist
7 years agolindsaymarie79
7 years agoAnother idea for dealing with the window:
This is a shot from our old home that we sold 6 years ago. We put in a window seat and then used sliding bolt locks to put a piece of butcher block counter between the counters on either side of the window. I don't have a picture readily available that shows the counter in place, but if you squint, you can see the holes in the counter shown where the holes for the bolts on the removable counter are.
mama goose_gw zn6OH
7 years agolast modified: 7 years agoThis is rough, but I think it's similar to what cpartist meant. You could have a long cart on wheels in front of the window. It would be there for landing space for the oven, but if you needed it for serving, it could be pulled beside the DW. The fridge could be switched with the tall pantry, or the pantry could instead be an upper and base, or an upper all the way to the counter, which would provide some landing space beside the fridge.
cpartist
7 years ago
sheloveslayouts
7 years ago
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