Eternal questions: gas vs dual fuel, open vs sealed burners
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Comments (3)Consumer Reports says that duel fuel has no advantage. We own a freestanding Bosch gas range and love it. We got the white (not stainless steel), and it is very easy to keep clean. The oven fan goes on when you use the convection feature. It is whisper quiet. We bought our Bosch at Sears, but it's not a Kenmore. It was delivered with a malfunctioning gas valve, which means that we could not use the oven. We called Sears as soon as we learned about the problem and they replaced the faulty part without delay. Overall, we are very pleased with this appliance, and would not hesitate to recommend it....See MoreDual Fuel vs Gas Slide In Range
Comments (8)I'm in somewhat the same boat and the advice I've received is it all depends on the type of cooking that you do. For your cooktop, gas is the way to go if you're already piped for it. Better heat, better control, less wait to come up to temperature, unless you consider an induction heater. IMHO, I'd not go to electric from an existing gas cooktop/rangetop. For the oven, you have a different animal. I agree with the previous poster that says gas ovens have made great strides in temperature control, and both do a great job cooking nowadays with all the brains and chips that help you. However the difference is in type of cooking -- if you do a lot of baking, pastry, etc. then definitely go with an electric oven. Electric ovens provide more of a dry heat than gas ovens, which makes for much better baking conditions. If you do more roasting and baking of casseroles, etc. then you want to go with gas, which is a more "wet" heat. Not to say a roast in an electric oven will be too dry or cookies baked in a gas oven will be soggy, but if you want optimal conditions for baking you'd want dual fuel. With modern convection options, I'm told the heat flow in a gas convection oven isn't as even as an electric convection oven, as the elements in a gas oven are in the top and bottom while electric has top, bottom, and behind the fan. Just what I've learned -- we are also in the same boat of looking at high end consumer ranges, but I believe we have decided to go with a Jenn-Air slide in (all gas), just barely ahead of the Electrolux (all gas). Of the brands you named, I would go with the Electrolux, for the gliding shelves. :o) And yes, there are self-cleaning gas ovens. Another feature we would not want to do without....See MoreRound bottom wok on open burner vs sealed burner vs flat induction
Comments (28)Thank John for additional data point on BlueStar. 3min 40sec seems to be consistent with Trevor's test on Capital 3min 36sec with 25k BTU burner. For my AEG induction wok hob @ 3.2kW, it takes just 2min 52sec to evaporate 80ml of water. It is best however to see in pictures how this behaves. This is a 14" wok that fits the curvature rather well. It sits with bottom half or third touching the recess area. This is somewhere around where the water edge is. It is also around the area where induction coil locates. You can see the darker seasoned area. That's where the main heating zone and my main cooking zone is. At a few seconds in after the induction unit starts on P, we can see bubbles forming. That makes sense as it is the area where induction coil is. At 11sec, steam starts to form. Bubbles now form a solid ring around the edge. At 16sec, steam starts to fill up my cooking area. At 41sec, this is smoking hot wok. Water is boiling vigorously though out. It is a bit difficult to see with this amount of steam, but you know what it is. This show the amount of steam from a different angle. At around 2min mark, the huge heat from induction is dying down. This is mainly because the water level drops below the area of the induction coil. So it is entering the much cooler spot. The heat that keeps evaporating the water now is from conduction, which is not the best thing for thin carbon steel. You can see that it takes quite a long time to evaporate this very small amount of remaining water. The slight red glow clearly shows where the induction coil is. At last, we get there by 2min 52sec. Cheers to induction wok hob. You're the best....See MoreAdvice Appreciated On 36” Wolf All Gas vs Kitchenaid Dual Fuel
Comments (6)bratcat, I would not feel too bad not getting a Wolf DF. Mine has been a major disappointment as it has had the chipping of the blue liner which has been an ongoing problem for Wolf for at least 10 years. It affects all of their ovens with a blue liner including the “M” which was designed to make it easier to repair with a removable bottom. The gas range does not have the blue lining. Mine happened @4.5 years old and was out of warranty. I did not get it fixed because labor starts at $800 and I have read it can run to $2500 to replace the liner. Wolf will not guarantee the new liner more than a year. Many posters here have gone through several ovens. I have a wall oven(Electrolux) so only use the range oven with covered dishes and no convection. The porcelain chips are glass shards. Posters here have been injured with them. There are lawsuits over this. http://www.wolfblueovenchipping.com/case-information/ pennfire, I would not use the self clean and wipe your range out periodically with a damp white paper towel looking for blue shards. If you have the issue, you want to find it out during the warranty. Mine happened after about the third or fourth self clean. I would love to replace mine with another DF range but am just not sold on any of them. Have you looked at any gas ranges besides Wolf? A favorite on this forum is a BlueStar. It is a little more to the commercial side than Wolf and has the star burners. It is the grandchild of the commercial Garland range that Julia Child had in her kitchen. It has been fitted out for residential use. There are two models that have star burners. One has higher BTUs. The star burners would be good for your cast iron and maybe the copper bottomed stainless depending on what it is because you have better dispersal of the heat than a ring burner. The other big difference is there is no cap on the burner which allows the flame to go straight up. The cap causes more flare of the burner on highest heat on Wolf. Wolf is not as bad as some because they have the dual stacked burners. It actually works out well for me because, I use highest heat on bigger skillets. The prostyle burners are generally bigger than regular burners. I have the exact burners that are on the Wolf gas range now. My smaller saucepans are the squat wide type and there is one small pot burner. Heavy aluminum or copper skillets, especially big ones, heat more evenly than cast iron on ring burners. Electric coils if sized to the pan provide even heat so the ring burner might be a little different. I still use my cast iron too but you have to pay attention more Cleaning the BS is a little bit different too in that the burner tray is “open”. If you are coming from electric, gas ovens are a little bit different to use. They tend to brown a little faster and better. You might notice a difference in the way things bake. My sister and I make the same cookies and here’s come out thinner and crispy in a gas oven and mine are thicker and chewier in electric. All of the ingredients are the same. You could probably adjust cooking times and temperatures to get different results but we each like them the way they are. Gas ovens have a lot bigger vents than electric ovens so if you add any steam, it is vented out much faster. A side effect of this vent is that you have more heat and moisture in your kitchen. 36” ovens take awhile to preheat. Mine takes at least 20 min to get to 350°F and the 30” wall oven takes 7 min. The BS is bigger than the Wolf. It holds a full sized baking sheet which I don’t use but I would like to be able to use two half sheets side by side. Look at the rack size and height of the top from the bottom rack to get an idea of the size of the oven....See MoreTimothy Fisher
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