singles and semi doubles
I absolutely love single and semi double roses but I don’t see many of them anymore. Can you show me pictures of your singles and semi doubles? 😀
Here are some of mine: Belle Story, Flower Girl and La Marne.
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MasLovesRoses_z8a GA
3 years ago
RaeAnna
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What is the biggest and most double zinnia?
Comments (20)GZ4, "I didn't know that I could get bigger and bigger zinnias just by saving the seeds of my bigger flowers. How does that work?" Zinnia flower size, shape, and form is determined by a number of different genes. Zinnias are primarily insect pollinated, and pollen gathering insects travel from flower to flower gathering pollen. In that process they accidentally pollinate many zinnia stigmas. Since they gather pollen from many different zinnias, sometimes they self pollinate a zinnia and sometimes they cross pollinate the zinnia with pollen from zinnia blooms that they just came from. As a result, open pollinated zinnia seeds actually contain some hybrids as well as some selfs. And some of those hybrids may involve zinnias that themselves are already hybrids by the same random pollen exchanges. Many times those bee pollinated hybrids are between similar parents. Similar, but different. So a packet of red dahlia flowered seeds will produce a variety of red dahlia flowered zinnias. So called pure varieties or strains are not actually pure. If you look closely you will see small or not-so-small differences between the individual plants and flowers. Your seed packet may have given you dozens of different varieties of red dahlia flowered zinnias, some of which are actually crosses between two different red dahlia flowered zinnias. By saving seeds only from the larger zinnias, you are choosing to grow only seeds from the larger red flowered varieties and discarding the smaller red dahlia flowered varieties. Seed saved from larger specimens will also vary in size (and other characteristics), but their average size will be somewhat larger and you may find still larger specimens. Each time a new seed is formed, a re-shuffling of genes occurs, and you may get a different combination from any that you have ever seen before, and some of those "shuffles" may give you your biggest zinnia yet. "I love the look of GIANT dahlia flowers--where should I start and what should I do to breed those?" Start with some commercial dahlia flowered zinnias that appeal to you. When they bloom out, study them to see which ones are your favorites. I usually cull out zinnias that I don't like to make more room for those that I do like. Then, recognizing that the specimens that you have selected may actually be hybrids between similar but different parents, you are free to self them with the expectation that their progeny will continue to vary, but will have changed some in the direction that you want them to go. Or you may to choose to cross-pollinate some of your favorites to "shake them up" some. Each seed you save will be a different recombination from the genes of its two parents. Remember, zinnias are composites, so each petal is actually a different "flower", with genes that are at least a little different from the petals next to it. "I was told that it's pointless to save the seeds of hybrids, but if their flowers are big and they are only crossed with other dahlia types, it sounds like maybe I should. " You should. Don't tell rose breeders not to save seeds from hybrids. Rose breeders cross hybrids with hybrids with hybrids, and then cross them again so that very complex ancestries build up. No reason you shouldn't do the same with zinnias. And if some non-dahlia flowered zinnia has a trait that you would like in your dahlia flowered, then by all means cross it in and then select out the combination of traits that you are going for. Prehistoric zinnias had all kinds of different forms that we haven't seen yet. By recombinations of recombinations, we can bring combinations of those unseen traits to the forefront. I personally am not a fan of the dahlia flowered zinnia flowerform. It tends to hide interesting bicolor and tricolored petals because the petals are stacked so close together. This dahlia flowered bloom partially conceals an interesting two-tone color scheme. This zinnia bloom does not conceal its petals with thickly overlapping petals. I refer to this zinnia flowerform as "Aster flowered". Various insects, such as aphids, leafhoppers, thrips and such, can "hide" in those closely packed zinnia flowerforms. So my personal preference is for "open" zinnia flowerforms. But that is just my subjective preference, and you are free to have your own. By saving seeds from your favorites, your personal seedstock will come to resemble your preferences. "I guess the other thing I could do is just grow giant dinner plate dahlias instead of trying to coax zinnias into a larger size. :-) Haven't explored that option yet." Maybe you should. Breeding your own dahlias is definitely something that you can do. I prefer zinnias because they grow faster, and you don't have to wait so long to see the results of your crosses or personal selections. ZM...See MoreRepeating singles and semi-doubles
Comments (28)Mermaid' I adore this 5 petaled, yellow rose. Pretty foliage too. Gorgeous stamens. I've espaliered it to keep it within bounds 'cos it does get huge. Fragrant, to my nose anyhoo. 'Yellow Butterfly' from the genius Ralph Moore, is another single yellow rose I admire, it makes a pretty drift of yellow at the front of a border. 'R. moschata' It does not re-bloom but produces one continuous bloom cycle that lasts 3-4 months, as many months of bloom as a Hybrid Tea. The fragrance wafts quite far from the plant. I was glad to see Noella Nabonnand' listed, its one of my favorite red roses. 'Gloire des Rosomanes' which has a splendid spicy scent. Cherry red blooms with perky China influenced white streaks. 'Pax' strong Musk rose scent and a very frequent bloomer. Reve d'Or' an ethereal beauty, the name says it all ; Golden Dream, or Dream of Gold. 'Susan Louise' very large rose blossoms of cream and pink. It can grow to be a tree sized plant, blooms from February through December here, near San Francisco, California. 'Irish Fireflame' comes to mind, a bright rose. Nice thread, it brought names of many roses I've loved. Gosh, how I'd love a 'Sanguinea'. Lux...See MoreRecommended peony sources?
Comments (9)I think you may have a hard time finding a peony with your specifications w/o ordering online. Most local places carry the usual suspects for peonies and I don't think I've ever seen a single red. I have Scarlet O'Hara which is more dark magenta than red but stands up with no support and they are huge plants. I saw 'America' over in England and have never forgotten it. It was a huge single red and absolutely gorgeous with no staking. Not sure how readily available that one is through mail order. Certainly mail order will be more expensive than if you find bare root packages somewhere like Home Depot or Wal Mart, but you'd be able to get what you want and be happy for years with the choice. Good luck! No matter what you get, you can't go wrong with a peony!...See MoreSimply Beautiful . . . Singles and Semis
Comments (26)I like singles and semidoubles too, and stamens, as Luanne points out, are very satisfying! Hips are getting more and more interesting. I'm surprised when I read that R. palustris isn't pretty enough to belong in a garden, as has happened a couple of times: I think it's a beautiful rose, and distinctive in all its characteristics. Randy, your 'Thomas Affleck' is very pretty, and likewise blackcatgirl's 'Citrus Splash'! Generally I don't care for the modern variegated roses, which has made me wonder how much of a rose snob I am, but that one looks like I might like it a lot. I tried contacting the administrators but just brought up a blank page: anyone have a suggestion as to what to do? Thanks for the photos, everybody! Melissa...See More
Magda (Ontario, USDA4/5)
3 years agoRaeAnna
3 years ago
damask_rose_zone9b
3 years agoRaeAnna
3 years agodamask_rose_zone9b
3 years agolast modified: 3 years ago@RaeAnna - Rock n' Roll is such a beautiful rose! I've looked but they never seem to have it in nurseries around here. I did see it once in person, I don't remember where, probably at the SJ Rose Garden, and it was out of this world beautiful!
Thank you @Diane Brakefield and @MasLovesRoses_z8a GA! What I love about single and semi-double roses is that the bees love em too! Here is a full bush shot of one of the Icerbergs. It is not quite as nice as the spring flush but it still puts out a good amount of blooms.:
Have a lovely day everyone,damask_rose : )
Diane Brakefield
3 years agoMasLovesRoses_z8a GA
3 years agoMasLovesRoses_z8a GA
3 years agoDiane Brakefield
3 years agoRaeAnna
3 years agoRaeAnna
3 years ago
Ann9BNCalif
3 years agoBelle Story is one of my most favorite roses! I love her stamens so much. They remind me of rose eyelashes!
AnnAnn9BNCalif
3 years agoHere are a few more from "stamens" album.
Sunglow
Maroon Eight
Maroon Eight
AnnMasLovesRoses_z8a GA
3 years ago
joeywyomingzone4
3 years agodamask_rose_zone9b
3 years agoAnn9BNCalif
3 years ago
flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA
3 years agoI love singles and am learning to love semi doubles.
Watercolors
Blue for You
Dortmund
Darlow's Enigma
Bajazzo
Ballerina
John Davis
Rhapsody in Blue
flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA
3 years agolast modified: 3 years agoMollie
Marjorie Fair
Sparrieshoop, usually much lighter
Morden Sunrise
Scabrosa
Westerland
Dainty Bess was so ashamed of herself, she begged me not to post her pic. She struggles in this climate. Diane, yours is dreamy, and how I want mine to look.I've found a bunch more in all these incredible photos that I need to grow.
Hutchae, I've thought about Fighting Temeraire for a long time. Your pic pushed me over the edge. I'll try to find it next spring.
Carol, I thought I remembered when you got Night Owl, but I haven't been here 10 years. Do you have a similar one?
RaeAnna, could your rose be Westerland? Mine, just above, is not a good example. The yellow toward the center of yours made me think of Westerland. Check HMF; there are some that look like yours.
rosecanadian
3 years agoflowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA
3 years agorosecanadian
3 years agoAnn9BNCalif
3 years agoerasmus_gw
3 years ago
Betty Boop
International Herald Tribune
My seedling, Paso Doble, which is no more
Art Nouveau, really unique, sometimes red, sometimes pink
Rosa Mundi
Temperance, an op seedling of Blue For You, similar but more consistently dark
Playboy
My seedling, Fido.
MasLovesRoses_z8a GA
3 years agoRaeAnna
3 years agoWhat’s that last pink one? Looks like mine. The SCENT is a strong perfume, it’s divine!
Stephanie, 9b inland SoCal
3 years agoMarie Daly with the same wonderful wafting scent as Marie Pavie.
Stephanie, 9b inland SoCal
3 years agoThere is this incredible single climber at Descanso Gardens that seems to be misnamed. The tag says Rosa gentiliana, but HMF has only a white single under this name.
erasmus_gw
3 years agoThank you, Mas. Here are a few more.
CLEsong, aka Annie Laurie
Mermaid
Basye's Purple...one time I asked a question about it here on GW and Ralph Moore emailed me about it...he must have liked that one.
Nearly WildAnnie Laurie again
Marjorie Fair ...so many singles have glowing white eyes that must attract bees.
Kim Rupert's Lynnie...a fine plant with lovely color
Little Artist...this one's color is hard to capture. This year it has been a deep burgundy . My little plant of it is covered in hips right now.
flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA
3 years agorosecanadian
3 years agoerasmus_gw
3 years agoThanks, flowers and rosecanadian. I think Paso Doble was just not very hardy. I lost it in winter. It's a seedling of 4th of July, and I have seen someone else's seedling of 4th of July that had similar colors...really dark red , almost black streaks on red. I think that one is in commerce but I don't remember the name. I have some hips of 4th of July right now and am going to try some again.
Temperance is hard to photograph. I think it's prettier in person. It can be very dark. Blue For You can be pretty dark also but my BFY has a wide range of colors, from light pink to dark slatey , inky indigo. If you want to try OP seeds, it's hard to beat BFY for germination rate. I've had a variety of seedlings from it from a lavender pink double with some white streaks, to bright pink, to dark indigo, and more of a wine purple. They all inherit BFY's health, most are fragrant, and they rebloom well.,
Here's my Frances Sims , another BFY seedling. It is a short grower, and to me it's a sweet shade of lavender pink. Named for my mother. Actually the color incarnation I like best of it is paler, and it is almost translucent and seems to catch the light. No picture of that yet.
Annie Laurie is a nice, shrubby, healthy plant. To me the singles with white eyes add some texture to the garden.
flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA
3 years agoMasLovesRoses_z8a GA
3 years ago
sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish)
3 years agolast modified: 3 years agoPenelope
Glorie des Rosomanes
Fire Opal
Lilian Austin
Miracle On the Hudson
Mermaid
Distant Drums..often semi double
Angel Face..also often semi double
rosecanadian
3 years agoerasmus_gw
3 years agoFlowers, I don't know how the seeds do from those you mentioned. I do know that some roses' seeds just don't germinate well and some are very good germinators. The thing is, if you try a poor germinator for years and all of a sudden you get a seedling, it's exciting. Sometimes I just don't ever see a hip on a particular rose, and then one day there's a hip, so that's fun too. For example Louis XIV. I have had one seedling from it and this is it, named for my late dog , Jack Daniel. It makes a pretty interesting plant...good rebloom, vigor, miniature sized blooms, but is prone to blackspot.
I named one Fido because Fido means " faithful" and it's a faithful bloomer. There is a beautiful story about a dog named Fido if you look want to look it up.
erasmus_gw
3 years agoHere's one of the most beautiful I've seen....a Kim Rupert seedling of Tom Brown x Pretty Lady. I no longer have the plant...I think cold got it. But the shadings in it were very beautiful, repeat was great, and I liked it better than Tom Brown.
Rosendorf Sparrieshoop
Eyes For You
Mutabilis
MasLovesRoses_z8a GA
3 years agosultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish)
3 years agolast modified: 3 years agoMasLovesRoses_z8a GA
3 years agoflowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA
3 years agorosecanadian
3 years agoerasmus_gw
3 years agoflowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA
3 years ago
Diane Brakefield