Accidentally left out salt in rye bread; what have you forgotten?
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tracydr.......Please!! Your Rye Bread recipe?
Comments (5)Here you go! This is courtesy of "Mini-Oven" on The Fresh Loaf forum. I've also added a bunch of rye meal, rye chops and flax to this to make a volkornbrot which was even better! Just maintain the same starter, flour and water ratios and it will work great. For the spices, I use 1tbsp of caraway, 1 tsp of fennel and 1 tbsp of onion. This fits into a large Pullman pan (King Arthurs is what I use) perfectly at the same amounts that Mini used. The last time I baked this as a volkornbrot I actually baked on 250 degrees (more or less, in the camper) all through the night! This was the most amazing loaf yet. I don't bulk proof and shape. I simply mix up the dough and spread into a pullman pan, letting it rise to almost the top of the pan (no more than 8 hours or you'll have enzyme starch attack) and bake. If you want to make it in a different pan and need a spreadsheet to figure the ratios email me and I can send you a spreadsheet. Here it is, Thanks Mini!: "I've been playing with rye loaf ratios (starter/water/flour) and I came up with one using any amount of rye starter that when refreshed is a paste (100% hydration) and as it ferments loostens to a thick batter. I was looking for basic numbers (like 1/2/3) and I found them they're 1/ 3.5/ 4.16. It makes Rye so much easier! The starter should be generously refreshed 8-12 hours before and mixed into the dough just before peaking and in a 22c room (72°F) the dough ferments 7-8 hours before baking. Dough should not be folded or shaped 4 hours before going into the oven. Basic Ratio> 1 part starter: 3.5 parts cold water: 4.16 parts rye flour 4 tablespoons bread spice for 500g flour Salt 1.8 to 2% of flour weight Hydration of dough aprox 84%. Handle dough with wet hands and a wet spatula. Combine starter and water then the flour, stir well and let rest covered. Add salt about one hour after mixing and any other ingredients. If room is warmer add salt earlier. Three hours into the ferment lightly fold with wet hands and shape into a smooth ball. Place into a well floured brotform or oiled baking pan. Cover and let rise. Don't let it quite Double for it will if conditions are right. Before placing in the oven, use a wet toothpick and dock the loaf all over to release any large bubbles. Bake in covered dark dish in cold oven Convection 200°C or 390°F (oven can reach 220°C easy with the fan on.) Remove cover after 20 to 25 minutes and rotate loaf. Reduce heat by simply turning off convection and use top & bottom heat at 200°C. Remove when dough center reaches 93°C or 200° F. All kinds of combinations are possible including addition of soaked & drained seeds and or cooked berries or moist altus and whole or cracked walnuts or a little spoon of honey. How it works: I have 150g rye starter at 100% hydration. I figure for water: 150 x 3.5 gives the water amount or 525g. I figure the flour: 150 x 4.16 gives 624 g Rye flour. For salt: 2% of 700g (624g + aprox. 75g in the starter) makes salt 14g or one level tablespoon of table salt. This amount of dough took 1 1/2 hours to bake and included moist rye altus. It was baked in two non-stick cast aluminum sauce pans (20cm diameter) one inverted over the other . The rounder of the two on the bottom. No steam other than what was trapped inside. Top removed after 25 minutes. It has a beautiful dark crust with a light shine. Aroma is heavenly"...See MoreHelp me salvage rye waffle disaster - and make bread?
Comments (7)Yes to both suggestions. By it's very nature, rye flour will tend to make the dough sticky to the touch - even with the correct amount of wheat flour in it. Knead the dough with oiled hands on an oiled counter to help avoid adding too much flour and getting that stiff dough coconut-nj mentioned. You can also toss it into a freezer-style zip-lock bag, press the air out and zip it shut. Now you can knead it from the outside of the bag and the dough won't stick to your hands, but you can adjust the amount of flour, if necessary. Turn the bag inside-out to remove the dough. This is one bag you won't want to clean, save, and reuse. -Grainlady...See MoreIs this rye bread recipe a missprint?
Comments (6)Yes, potentially you can reduce the time by having sour dough starter saved in the fridge and using that instead of the yeast-water-milk starter to go directly to step 2. One might need to adjust the flour and water added in step 2 or 3 depending on how the composition of your fridge starter differs from the step 1 starter. I've that on a pretty rough basis with other recipes and had it work out well. For example, I might take out my starter; feed it; and take 4 oz of this for this recipe; let it sit for a few hours to wake up; use it in step 2. 4 oz of my rye starter has about 1/4 cup water and 1/2 cup rye flour so I would add an extra 1/4 cup water and 1/2 cup less rye flour at step 2 (the 3 tbsp water plus 1/3 cup water in step 2 = about 1/2 cup). Or I might just add a couple of tbsp of my starter directly from the fridge plus water to step 2 and allow step 2 to run longer like about 24 hours to make up for starting it with sleepy starter. It sounds like a lot of time, but mostly the stuff is just sitting there - it just takes a few minutes day 1 and day 2 to do it the way this recipe says. But I like the flavor I get with my longer term starter. Also I don't always plan ahead enough for 3 days. And once you have the starter in the fridge, it might as well be used. Perhaps make it like the recipe says the first time and then play around to see what results you get....See MoreThe Saga of the Forgotten Salt or ..................
Comments (38)Well, once in my cooking history I killed the yeast because the liquid was too hot. I bought a new thermometer today. And--last evening I made a batch of blueberry muffins (I had taken a short ride to a neighbor's stand and spent $3 on fresh berries so I really wanted the muffins to come out well). Immediately after placing the muffins into the oven I started to clean up from the mixing. I was floored when I found the measured oil had not been included. I was certain I had just wasted my time and money but I decided to try to add some oil right then. I grabbed the muffins out of the oven and then drizzled a little bit of oil onto each muffin, which had already begun to solidify from the short burst of heat. I used the handle of a spoon and mixed the oil into the stiff batter as best I could, without mashing the blueberries. Then I returned the muffins to the oven. I didn't know how to adjust the cooking time because of the time out of the oven, so I sat on a kitchen step stool and watched the muffins cook until I decided to test one. Sent them back for 6 more minutes and then sampled one as soon as it was cool enough not to burn my mouth. I wouldn't offer tham to company, but they really are acceotable. I had used double the amount of berries and the extra moisture might have helped....See More- 5 years agolast modified: 5 years ago
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