Accidentally left out salt in rye bread; what have you forgotten?
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Comments (7)Yes to both suggestions. By it's very nature, rye flour will tend to make the dough sticky to the touch - even with the correct amount of wheat flour in it. Knead the dough with oiled hands on an oiled counter to help avoid adding too much flour and getting that stiff dough coconut-nj mentioned. You can also toss it into a freezer-style zip-lock bag, press the air out and zip it shut. Now you can knead it from the outside of the bag and the dough won't stick to your hands, but you can adjust the amount of flour, if necessary. Turn the bag inside-out to remove the dough. This is one bag you won't want to clean, save, and reuse. -Grainlady...See MoreRye bread help needed
Comments (5)I have a recipe from Secrets of a Jewish Baker for Bavarian Pumpernickel Bread that is 100% rye flour. I haven't made it because I haven't gotten around to getting pumpernickel flour (medium rye). BTW, he also seems to be under the impression that rye has no gluten as he says this bread has no gluten. From the description, it sounds like this will be a very dense bread. Bavarian Pumpernickel Bread from Secrets of a Jewish Baker by George Greenstein Note, he gives long detailed instructions - more than I want to type - I have abridged them - if you want the full deal, you'll have to get the book or a faster typist than me :^) This recipe is a good size for a bread machine, if you do it in a large mixer with a dough hook you can increase by 50% or double. 1 cup water 1 pkg active dry yeast He always uses yeast with the sour, I usually modify and use just the starter but you might need to add more rising time if you leave out the yeast. 1 cup Rye Sour 1 cup altus (optional) - I haven't used this yet - It is left over rye crusts soaked in water - suppose to intensify flavor. 2 cups cooked rye berries (3 cups water to 1 cup berries or chopped (in a food processor or blender) berries, brought to a boil then cooked covered over low heat until tender - about 45 minutes) 3 to 4 tbsp pumpernickel color (optional) 3 cups pumpernickel flour (medium rye) or rye meal 1 tbsp salt I usually find his salt too much and cut back to 1/2 or 2/3.) Additional rye flour as needed Oil for greasing work top Shortening for greasing pan Sprinkle yeast over warm water and stir to dissolve. Add sour, altus (if using), cooked rye berries, pumpernickel color, pumpernickel flour, and salt. Stir until it comes away from sides of bowl adding 1/4 cup rye flour at a time if necessary. This will be a wet dough with consistency of heavy clay. Turn dough onto oiled worktop. Grease a Pullman pan (a pan with a lid to make a square loaf) or loaf pan (8x4x3 inch). Knead dough into a ball and form into a cylinder as long as the pan. Dough should be pressed down evenly and come within 1/4 inch of top. If you use a loaf pan, put on a baking sheet, grease a second baking sheet and invert over the top. Place in oven and lay a heavy oven proof weight or brick on top. Do not proof. Bake at 375 for 45 to 55 minutes. After first 35 minutes, remove the cover and turn out bread to finish baking inverted on oven stone or baking sheet. When done, tapping the bottom should make a hollow sound. Let cool on a wire rack, then wrap in plastic and refrigerate overnight. The next day slice paper thin. Wrap well with plastic wrap and freeze or refrigerate if not used immediately. Rye Sour Prepare 48 hours in advance Starter: 1/2 cup rye flour 1/8 tsp active dry yeast 1 cup warm water 1 tbsp crushed caraway seeds (optional) 1 tsp minced onion (which he says helps hasten fermentation and adds flavor) Combine it all and mix until smooth. It should be thin and soupy. Cover and let stand in warm spot until bubbly and fermented - can be left up to 24 hours. Stage 1 (24 hours in advance Starter from above 1/2 cup water 1 1/4 cups rye flour 1/4 cup rye flour Combine all except the 1/4 cup rye flour stirring until smooth. Wipe down the sides of bowl with wet hands or scraper (you don't want bits drying there). Sprinkle surface with the 1/4 cup rye flour. Let stand covered with a cloth or plastic wrap until doubled (the flour you sprinkled will be cracked with fissures) 4 to 8 hours. Avoid letting it collapase. Stage 2 You can double the flour and water here to produce more sour. Stage 1 output plus 1/2 water 1 cup rye flour Add the water and 3/4 cup rye flour to stage one and mix until smooth sprinkle with the rest of the flour. Allow to rise 4 to 8 hours. Rye sour should be thick - close to a soft dough, not so stiff that mixing is difficult. Add flour or water to adjust consistency. Stage 3 Repeat what you did at stage 2. At this point, you can take out 1/4 to 1/2 cup to refrigerate and use next time as starter. When this batch has risen, the sour is ready to use....See MoreRECIPE: My Grandmother's Swedish Rye Bread (for bread machines)
Comments (9)OK, so if I wanted to make it without using a bread machine (I don't have one). Tell me if this sounds right. Mix dry ingredients. Pour in yeast and water. Knead for 5 minutes in stand mixer. Put in greased bowl. Let it rise until doubled in size. Punch it down and shape it into a loaf pan. Let it rise until it's crowing over the top of the pan? I have some rye sitting in the freezer that I used for a sourdough starter so I guess I could grind a 1/2 cup of that for rye flour....See MoreRECIPE: Wanted Tried and True ..Rye Bread
Comments (4)I obtained this from JoyceS' board several years ago. It is wonderful. The Best New York Rye Bread I find to make it lighter I always let it rise longer then what the bread machine allows. After the first kneading cycle, I will Reset my machine to start over (twice). A nice traditional New York Rye bread made much easier by using the bread machine. JoyceS's 1 cup plus 2 tablespoons warm water 1 1/3 tablespoons vegetable oil 2 tablespoons honey 1 teaspoon salt 2 2/3 teaspoons caraway seeds 1 1/3 cups rye flour 2 1/3 cups bread flour 1/4 cup vital gluten 1/4 cup dry milk 2 1/2 teaspoons active dry yeast Place all ingredients in to your bread machine in the order specified by your machine's manual. Set the cycle to Basic or White. Makes 1 1 1/2 pound loaf Note: What I do here is set my machine on the 'Dough Cycle'. I then form it to shape, let it rise some more then bake it....See More- 6 years agolast modified: 6 years ago
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