Musk rose at Burwell School historic site/Photos
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Comments (17)Fundamentally I see this thread as an old argument being revisited yet once again. We know that there are two primary factions in rosenculture: there are those of us that don't believe in spraying and those that don't believe in rose gardening without it. Honestly I'm a member of the later and although I understand the points presented by team no-spray, I know from experience that I can't grow the big award winning florist formed roses that I drool over on this forum and HMF without a spray regimen. Furthermore, when neighbors stop by my house and ask how I do it I always say that part of the answer comes from Fortuniana rootstock in Florida soil and the other part of the answer comes from having some kind of spray regimen. I can see how the ARS would pose such a statement because without spraying so many of the roses that attract people like me to roses are ungrowable. Are there repercussions? Sure, but what they do out in the fields has a much larger impact than what I do in my 70X120' plot of land. Is it wrong? I don't think it is anymore than saying that I'm wrong for wanting to grow big beautiful Hybrid Teas and Grandifloras. I think the ARS understands that most people are interested in growing showy roses and until there are more resilient showy roses out there (and KO taught me that there is yet to be an impervious rose as I learned when mine got powdery mildew and was attacked by thrips) there will be a need for spray programs....See MoreNeed Suggestions on Historical Collection of Roses
Comments (63)Robert - If your grant has some additional funds you may want to purchase a gas chromatograph to do head space analysis of the fragrance. There are some good articles on rose fragrance back in old American Rose Society annuals, and of course many others and more recent ones as well. With a chromatograph, you can disect all of the components of a fragrance as well as quantitate them. That way you can reproduce any rose fragrance that you smell. I was amazed to learn how many different chemical components actually comprize a single fragrance. Just a thought, perhaps beyond HS chemistry, but I wouldn't be surprized that something at that level might be taught. The folks at an organization in NJ (perhaps something like International Fragrances etc.) once purchased 30 different roses (2 each) from me that I could choose. They clearly were cataloging fragrances chemically. Best, Nick...See More'50's gardens in America - 'historical' yet?
Comments (52)I've been noticeably absent from all my boards lately and now find that I have a little more time to browse...and found this very timely conversation ;-) Cady and Mel will remember that I've been renovating/restoring my parent's '56 contemporary that had been neglected for almost 25 years (mom had alzehiemer's, dad took care of her, she died he wouldn't let us touch anything, brother is terminal and could care less about fixing or cleaning) Well, the end is in sight ...the house is to be officially listed this Tuesday. I made a marked effort to bring back the landscape to what my mother had planted in the late 50's early 60's ...not strictly due to nostalgia but because my mother had an excellent eye for design and color that spurred my interest in gardening at a very young age. I found the comment on Frank Llloyd, "* Wright originated the visionary concept of a rear living-room opening into a garden terrace -- fifty years before the California architects generally credited with the concept" described my parent's house to a 'T' and we tried to make the most of it - it may not be a Wright but it is certainly '50's California. I thought I'd share a few pictures...I will take all the final photos this weekend when we do all the little nit picky stuff. This is a view of the refloored rear living room and gives you a shot of the windows overlooking the back patio i.e garden terrace pre landscaping - http://www.ofoto.com/PhotoView.jsp?&collid=342900975105&photoid=501321897105 This is that same back patio Before - http://www.ofoto.com/PhotoView.jsp?&collid=567043265105&photoid=287043265105 And after After - http://www.ofoto.com/PhotoView.jsp?&collid=342900975105&photoid=921321897105 We did remove the junipers out front (person loathing involved in that decision) and repeated the fern/fuscia theme my mother had had out back. I'll take photos this weekend. Barbara in Hollywood...See More"Crenshaw Musk"
Comments (18)The Crenshaw Musk was among the very first finds of true R. moschata, in the US. John and Marie Butler discovered it on the Crenshaw family plot at Hollywood Cemetery, in Richmond. It still grows there. The problem with double/single musks (R. moschata moschata vs. R. moschata plena) is that they are the same rose with a minor, reversible mutation for doubling. So most so-called "double" plants will eventually throw out a cane of truly single flowers, and if you take cuttings there, you get single plants. So the Crenshaw Double and Crenshaw Single both originated from this original cemetery plant. On very much more rare occasions (I'm only aware of two times, ever), the double form may sport to the extremely doubled form 'Temple' musk, which was also found in that cemetery, but growing in the Temple family plot, rather distant from the Crenshaw plot. So we don't really know the source of that plant, originally, nor if/how it may be historically related to the Crenshaw plot plant. As for the concept of R. moschata being a brunonii hybrid -- that's an interesting concept, but I have no particular reason to believe it, and I don't think it is backed up by any DNA (or other) testing. It may or may not have validity....See MoreRedBird_7a EastTN
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