New build home; how much space required to add a spice kitchen?
Hi, I am looking to purchase a new home and convert a walk through pantry into a spice kitchen. The measurements are 11.5’ wide by 4.5’ deep with the door openings along the width and I plan to only keep the one entry from the Kitchen. I wanted to add a window and sink on the 4.5’ wall and place the 30” gas range along the 11.5’ side. Is that enough space? Below is a sample of the layout/look as well as an insert on the builders’ floorplan of the pantry. Please help! *Update: Ive included a pic of the overall kitchen area ( it measures 11.5x12.5); the pantry is separate. Thanks!
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3 years agolast modified: 3 years agoYou still need floor space to move around in, and that would be 42" between the edge of the counter and the door, so it would still need to be 5.5" deep. That would leave no/very little prep space between the sink and range (left). If the builder will not change the footprint, the range could go on the exterior wall, where it would be easier to vent, anyway. You could do all your prep in the kitchen, then move into the spice kitchen to cook. A pocket door could be left open while you prep, or for access to the pantry, then closed while cooking is taking place (right).
Another thing you might want to address before getting too far into the plan, is make-up air (MUA), which might be needed for a hood pulling more than 300-390cfm, per safety code, especially with gas appliances. (If you haven't already decided that for the main cooktop.)
Can you post the kitchen plan? I just noticed that the fridge appears to be up against the pantry wall with no filler, so you want to make sure the door will open fully on the left side.
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3 years agolast modified: 3 years agoIf you switch the sink and range, you have easier venting to the outside, but floor space wouldn't change from my earlier plan B--that is if the builder will not change the footprint of the pantry space. In this version, no space is taken from the kitchen. Plans A & C took space from the kitchen (red rectangle).
ETA, keep in mind this sink and range are 24", hood is 30".
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2 years agoMy Caribbean spouse thinks there's nothing lovelier. Our 700 cfm exhaust worked well enough--as long as I was there to flip the switch!
Just downloaded this 1st floor plan for a new build planned near us. Note the 24' wide spice kitchen--and the 18 burners of stoves!
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