Back to the future

KennsWoods

The flux capacitor ain't capacitatin'.


When I moved in late Dec I stayed with my son and dil until I got my own place. After I moved in mid Feb my dear dil insisted I eat supper with them, which I did nearly every day. Then the fertilizer hit the ventilator. Son and dil work in healthcare and isolation began. In mid May we began eating together again. They are in ppe all day and shower and change upon entering their home from work every day. Today we decided to go back to isolation.


I listen to scientists, not to politicians and 'others'. I have a VERY bad feeling about the future.

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Elmer J Fudd

I do too.

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Zalco/bring back Sophie!

Me too. It seems like living in relative isolation is the only solution until there is a medical one.

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Lindsey_CA

Yes, and those scientists are saying that the increased COVID infection numbers are not indicative of being in a second wave -- that we are still in the first onslaught.

Scary.

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Michael

My brother and his wife have been staying home in a rural area of Ohio. Things were looking very good for Belmont County. The county has a low count and hasn't seen a rise in new cases for several days.

Until a week ago, 90 irresponsible, inconsiderate, high school students returned home from Myrtle Beach. Today it's known that 25 are positively infected and have possibly exposed over 1K friends, relatives, neighbors, shoppers, etc.

Instead of working toward a better future, I'm afraid the younger generations are going to kill the future.

I have a very bad feeling about tomorrow.

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Annegriet

I have bad feelings too. I am supposed to go to dentist this week and I am thinking about canceling. It's all just very, very scary. I think we've been so irresponsible as a nation. Wear the mask. Keep the distance. Care about others! 46 states have rising cases. It's bad out there.

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Zalco/bring back Sophie!

Oh, I can't wait to see what happens once universities open up again, because we all know campus life and social distancing and wearing masks go so well together.

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Elmer J Fudd

Stupidity and irresponsibility of people at all ages have been responsible for our inability to control the pandemic as other countries have.

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Annegriet

I think bringing back schools is a big mistake.

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jewelisfabulous

I tend to think that Covid is a "dress rehearsal" for a more virulent and deadly virus yet to come. We have definitely failed the dress rehearsal.

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Jasdip

We've had protests, even last month demanding the opening of businesses. Crowds of people in close quarters with their signs and outrage.

Beaches are busy, no social distancing. BLM protests.

I honestly thought there would have been a wave of positive results, but nothing at all. This is why people aren't taking the virus seriously.

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Annegriet

Zalco--what do you mean by relative isolation. Do you go to grocery store? Doctors/dentists?


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Elmer J Fudd

Relative isolation to me means shelter in place - venturing out only for essential matters and limiting those trips. No close encounters with others, no family gatherings with people from other households, no public place activities that aren't essential. Doing these things worked EVERYWHERE ELSE. Like so many things, the US starts with a blank slate, ignores experts, and thinks it can ignore what has been successful elsewhere,

We're a nation of ignoramuses, especially but not limited to the spineless political class. We deserve better but we also deserve to not have to deal with the idiots among our fellow citizens who refuse to get with the program, dispute facts and talk about their freedoms being compromised. Hopeful (but sadly) this year's Darwin Awards will take care of some of that problem.

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Annegriet

I have so many dental issues--bad gums--bone loss. I'm scared not to go to dentist and I'm scared to go. I guess dentures are better than death.

Elmer--I agree with your assessment of our nation.

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Zalco/bring back Sophie!

I go to the grocery store every week to ten days. I have not had any need for a medical appointment, though teeth cleaning time is coming soon. My dentist is a good friend and feel fine with how her office is run, so I'll do that.

By relative isolation I mean no social life beyond screens/phones. No outings for me and my husband or with our young adult children. No dinners out for us. No arts events. No hosting dinners, or brunches, no irl church services.

We are fortunate to be able to shelter in place and have all sorts of things delivered and whatnot, but when I think of how long this has to go on, it's a bit depressing.

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Annegriet

I have not gone to a grocery store or anywhere since March. I am scared to leave my home.

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Zalco/bring back Sophie!

Annegriet, Do you live in a particularly dangerous area? I would definitely go ahead and make necessary dental appointments with a reputable dentist. Gum disease is a pretty serious matter and we have no idea when this plague will be gone.

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bpath

Annegriet, I don’t know where you live, what the situation is there. My state has been pretty buttoned down. Dentists offices opened for regular service a few weeks ago. I already had an appointment scheduled, so when they called me to see if I still wanted to come in, they went over all of their new procedures and precautions. My, goodness, there were a LOT of new procedures and precautions. And so, I went a couple of weeks ago. All is still well. I would not have wanted to go longer to deal with issues that had arisen. Talk to your dentist, see if you feel comfortable with their new ways.

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Annegriet

Well, as dumb luck would have it, while I was flossing tonight, my crown popped out into the air and in my lap! So, I'm going...

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desertsteph

we had a lot of the 22- early 40s crowds out at the bars and clubs the other week after things started opening again. I heard a clip on TV that the Gov is clamping down again. will have to watch the 9 pm news to see what that means. I did notice less people at the grocery with masks yesterday - again mostly the younger people. I just did a quick run in for a few things and out again. I also noticed that the aisle arrows were gone. for me that means I can get what I need quicker and be out of there. I stay clear of others in aisles anyway.

I'm also ok with not going out otherwise or having visitors. I normally don't.

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lisa_fla

Ken I saw on today’s news that Seminole is requiring face masks in Publix starting in a couple of days. People still aren’t doing it here in Orange since there is zero repercussion if you don’t. The positivity rate in Orange is 15.3% over the last 14 days.

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georgysmom2

Annegriet.......I think you will be pleasantly surprised at the precautions taken when you go to the Dentist. You will feel very safe I'm sure. I mostly buy my groceries online and pick up. I have ventured in the grocery store a couple of times. I generally drive by and if the parking lot has too many cars to make me feel comfortable, I pass. Early in the morning or late at night is a good time to go. The other day I went to Home Depot because I needed a light bulb for my range hood and one for the bathroom. They are specialty bulbs that I had to pick out in person to make sure they were the right ones. I got there at 8:00 a.m. and maybe there was 5 people in the store, all with masks and it was easy to distance myself. No one else looking for bulbs. Then I went to Dollar Tree, picked out a birthday card, some rolls of cellophane and some cleaning stuff. Once again, there was just a few people there. I say venture out but be cautious. Don't let your guard down. Your best defense is keeping your distance. Hard to do with the Dentist but they are taking extra special precautions.

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sealavender

Annegriet, it sound like thing have changed with your dental situation, but you should feel free to call and confirm that office procedures are to your satisfaction before you go. They should not be offended; you are right to protect yourself.

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Texas_Gem

I don't know how things are in other regions but for me...I track the spread locally and, more importantly the hospitalization rates/capacity.


We CAN'T quarantine this virus out of existence. It IS here, it is virulent and it IS deadly to certain people. To all those ignoramuses saying it's no worse than the flu, PLEASE get a clue!!!

You have to be living under a literal rock to NOT get the seriousness of this!!!

However!!! When all this started in early March, the idea was to flatten the curve, to NOT overwhelm our medical capacity. It never has been and never will be about eliminating it completely.


If....IF your region is currently holding steady and NOT being overwhelmed, there is, IMHO, no reason to NOT go ahead with "normal life" as much as possible while minimizing your risk.


We go bowling once a week at our local bowling center, they keep every other lane empty and sterilize all shoes and balls.


2 of my kids have private voice lessons once a week with their choir director in her home. They meet at the door, use hand sanitizer and maintain at least a 6 foot distance whilst in her home for the private lesson/s.


My kids otherwise don't go out on public. We have had get togethers, outside where we maintain social distance.

I go to the grocery store every 2 weeks wearing my mask to stock up.


Our school district is currently planning on resuming in school classes in August and I will absolutely be sending my kids.

We are currently sitting at 1 patient in ICU due to COVID in our region. My kids NEED the social interaction with others in order to develop normally.

Will I be going out with my family to large crowds?? Heck to the nah nah!!

Will my 4 children- all between the ages of 8 and 13 be attending school? Heck to the yeah yeah!!!



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yeonassky

Here in BC we have had a outbreak from an exotic club that flouted the rules! Nobody's happy with them! They are closed and who knows when or if they'll ever be able to open again. Humans... we are so irresponsible.

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arcy_gw

The science is also saying be holed up, living in a bubble is unhealthy. Weakens your immune system. No social interaction is taking a toll on our psyches. Where's the balancing point? Mandating masks nationally, in public is being talked about. I am curious to see if it happens. It's such an easy thing that has quite an impact. I do not see why so many are so stubborn. Personal distance, avoid large crowds, masks and we could keep the spread waaaay down. It is unfair to pick and choose which businesses are unnecessary, which could fail, which families would live w/o their livelihood but I do not comprehend why bars are open. Why large tourist venues are open. Why people are traveling for pleasure. Yes vacation is good for the soul but to miss one year or even two--is frankly how most of the world lives!! My county is pretty covid free and I would prefer it remain so. That will only happen if people stay in their own spaces. From what I see about how people are handling the opening up--we NEED the shelter at home mandates for people to help themselves and others. I go to Mass, we are personally distanced. I am not attending weddings that are being scheduled. The dentists/hair salon/eye doctor all had protocols in place. Jury duty-personal distance, protocols in place. Hanging out at a race track-not going to happen. Wearing a mask passing people along an aisle very very low to zero chance of exposure. But still I shop early before most of the town is awake. The science says 15 minutes of exposure to someone infected is the danger zone. It's fine to rail at teens but they have parents. Parents who ought to be in charge of their households, but this has exposed how seldom that is true. Getting this for the vast majority is not a death sentence. We have to remember that. There are severe precautions vulnerable people must take but the rest of us need to find the balance and learn to LIVE with this thing.

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arkansas girl

I have seen a return to mask wearing yesterday at the store. For the past couple of weekly grocery trips for me, almost no one had on a mask, but yesterday almost everyone had them on.

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Michele

We are in NYC. No one in our immediate family or circle of friends got sick. My husband (62) just learned of a childhood schoolmate. He made it just fine following all the recommendations for months. He just recently went back to work when it opened up. He died 3 weeks later. His mother (98) got sick and lived. Try and figure that out. This has renewed our commitment to mask wearing, distancing, etc.

Frankly, steps towards opening here are leading to people letting their guard down and it scares me. If people would just stick to wearing the masks etc, and avoid being indoors for extended periods with people outside their “bubble” we could get through. I see people being careless.

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Zalco/bring back Sophie!

Oh, Michele, I am so sorry about your husband's friend. On a happier note, I seem to remember you are about to become a grandmother :-) Sending you warm thoughts as you anticipate this joyous event.

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Lucille

I am still living under a rock in isolation, with a chihuahua, a kitty, some tropical fish and about 60 houseplants. Get plenty of social interaction, just not face to face. I frankly do not believe that living in an ordinary home situation, especially one with plants and pets, has any untoward effects on anyone's immune system.

Basically I think the situation can be handled. No 'opening up, no schools with classrooms, virtual school only. Even for many working folks by working at home and taking precautions. But I think idiot politicians and their moron minions, and people who just don't think about the consequences of their actions, are what is making the situation increasingly dangerous.

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Jasdip

Yeonasky, 27 people are infected from a nail salon in Eastern Ontario.

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Annegriet

I agree with everything Lucille said. I also get plenty of social interaction via phone, text, skype, and zoom. Is the same as meeting my BFF for coffee? No. But it's fine for now. Since when did we become so weak that we can't tough it out? And mask wearing should be mandatory -- everywhere -- period. Can you imagine during World War II if people had said, "Sorry, I don't want to use black out curtains--it violates my constitutional rights." We are pathetic.

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yeonassky

Jasdip I had heard the same.

Yes opening up might be hazardous to our health sooner than some of us would like... Initially I read that 80% of us would get this. We are only trying to get it in spaced out waves. I wish we could space it out more though.

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Michele

Zalco! Thank you so much. We are officially in the “any day now” period. One of the sonograms had today as the due date. The original date was July 6.

To add to the fun, my son-in-law had accepted a job that takes him away for six weeks, then he’s back for four. It was all supposed to work out, but COVID of course. He won’t be back in time. I am her support person.

Digging deep to put on a brave face. Packed my sanitizing supplies (yes I plan to sanitize already sanitized surfaces) masks, gloves, clothes and toiletries for 24+ hours, and I have my cold packs in the freezer and a list of food I’m bringing so I’m not traipsing around the hospital even if I were allowed.

We have kept up our family bubble visiting during the entire time to ensure I would be able to help. Didn’t expect this though.

Cannot wait to be back at her place, mother and baby safe and sound!


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Yayagal

Same here, stay inside and safe. We don't even venture out to get essentials, it's delivered to us plus no one has entered our house since this pandemic hit. Yes, it's difficult but smart, and the only way to stay as safe as possible. We do communicate with family without their presence via facetime, messaging, and phones. We have a long way to go before we see the end of the tunnel. Be smart.

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Annegriet

Watching Biden on the telly. I can't believe we have to wait nearly 7 1/2 months for a grown-up to lead us through this crisis. And if Biden loses, all hope goes with him.

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desertsteph

Since when did we become so weak that we can't tough it out? And mask wearing should be mandatory -- everywhere -- period. Can you imagine during World War II if people had said, "Sorry, I don't want to use black out curtains--it violates my constitutional rights." We are pathetic.

oh, since the 60s...

the majority don't know what those were. today they're to block the sun! (and yes I have one for that purpose in my bedroom (AZ)). the majority have never lived with a test siren that goes off at a specific time on a specific day for a specific reason. As kids (outside playing) we always paused to confirmed the day and time.

yesterday I heard on the news how much food the younger generations waste. Their 'to go' food. they order it, eat some of it and toss the rest of it. I get a 'to go ' meal from a local Mexican place and it makes 4 meals for me.


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Claudesmom

I'm in SE TX, home of the 60K rally and televised funeral where there was little to no social distancing or mask-wearing. I go to the grocery store once a week or so, and yes, mask up even though I can barely breathe in one. In my zip code, the # of confirmed cases (if you can believe the test results) is at .000158 of and no deaths. I'm not freaking out. No one in my very large family statewide knows anyone who has tested positive, been exposed to anyone who has tested positive or who has been quarantined due to exposure to a supposedly positive tested person.

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Annegriet

You are very lucky in SE TX but others have not had the same good fortune. Meanwhile, while Americans die in other geographic locations, our President has abandoned us. He's very busy denying the virus, politicizing masks, taking down the social distancing sign at his rallies, taking away funding for drive-through testing, trying to take healthcare away from 20 million Americans, tweeting videos of "white power", encouraging folks to drink bleach, abandoning our allies in Western Europe, defending the Confederate flag and statues, and deciding with Putin just exactly what amount of money the life of an American soldier is worth.


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KennsWoods

Flattening the curve, everybody's going to get it anyway is fine for 90% of us, but the other 10% who are MORTALLY at risk, me included, are the ones who need NOT to get infected.

Found out today my son has an employee quarantined positive for COVID. He and dil work at a large hospital in Orange County FL and PPE is SOP, so hopefully they'll be OK. They've gone from zero COVID to multiple in the past two weeks.

Again today someone I met six months ago when I first moved here and I've seen on a regular basis since then has a son who's a firefighter. Nine of his peers are positive and quarantined and the whole station will be tested. This is Seminole County FL. I've stopped personal contact, phone or text only from now on.

Things have gone from bad to worse for me REAL (sic) FAST!


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Annegriet

KennsWoods--hang tough. You are not alone. I hear you. I am thinking of you.

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desertsteph

Watching Biden on the telly. I can't believe we have to wait nearly 7 1/2 months for a grown-up to lead us through this crisis. And if Biden loses, all hope goes with him.

When I see him (or hear him) I see emptiness behind those eyes. He can barely put a sentence together. Most often he can't do that. He's just a puppet for the Marxist left. There is no hope in Biden. His family should pull him out of politics and enjoy any time they have left with him.

Biden attacks Trump for stopping incoming flights from China. did Biden really think letting flights in would keep the virus out of the US? or did he do that just because it was Trump who stopped the flights? Pelosi was all for massive gatherings into China town.... that was her idea of how to contain the virus.

look up where the majority of $s donated to Biden's 'cancer charity ' went. to mega salaries for his cronies/family or to cancer research / to benefit cancer patients?

Trump's goal is to build up our country and to make it possible for others to work and not be dependent on the government. the left wants people to be dependent on it.


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desertsteph

You are very lucky in SE TX but others have not had the same good fortune. Meanwhile, while Americans die in other geographic locations, our President has abandoned us. He's very busy denying the virus, politicizing masks, taking down the social distancing sign at his rallies, taking away funding for drive-through testing, trying to take healthcare away from 20 million Americans, tweeting videos of "white power", encouraging folks to drink bleach, abandoning our allies in Western Europe, defending the Confederate flag and statues, and deciding with Putin just exactly what amount of money the life of an American soldier is worth.

and you just believe all of that stuff the fake news spews out?

that is very sad.

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Claudesmom

desertsteph, I TOTALLY agree with you.



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Annegriet

and you just believe all of that stuff the fake news spews out?

It's a fact that Trump petitioned the Supreme Court to invalidate the ACA

I watched the press conference where he told us all to drink bleach AND that one where he said the virus would go away like magic/poof!

He has said publicly that he wants to keep the names of Confederate Generals on our military bases.

There's nothing fake about the tweet with the white power comments. I watched it.

The Donald tweeted that face masks represent a "culture of silence, slavery, and social death."



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Michael

When did KT stop vetting memberships? :)

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Lucille

Things have gone from bad to worse for me REAL (sic) FAST!

Your decision to cease personal contact is a good choice, especially when it seems the those near your family are testing positive. Hoping you and everyone, who wants to stay alive, take the appropriate precautions until a safe usable vaccine is available.

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Kathsgrdn

I'm worried too. I just read a news report that Kentucky has had a mandate to wear masks since May 11th. I didn't know that. I thought the governor was just strongly suggesting it. No one in my little town wears them. Most people in the state capital don't wear them so it does no good to have a mandate that isn't enforced.

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socks

I join many of you, being in low spirits and discouraged even tho' I have much for which to be deeply grateful. Comfortable home, delivered groceries, nice neighborhood to walk, pup to lift my spirits. But there is no light at the end of the tunnel. I feel sorry for my family members struggling with kids, job issues. It's so sad.

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Annegriet

Well said Socks.

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