Antique/OGR/Austin Rose Share
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chris209 (LI, NY Z7a)
3 years agolast modified: 3 years agoI'll start with some of my climbers which are peaking right now.
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Comments (6)Daisyhair, I know the feeling, but reality bites. You can plan a garden in Florida with that sort of feel, but you have to use the right roses and it won't be exactly that feel. Homework is required. You have to remember Pam doesn't have our heat with humidity. She has dry heat, so more than likely her roses would be a mess here. There are beautiful climbers in the Noisette and Tea classes, some of Austin's roses that do that jolly green giant thing will climb (sort of), and polyantha climbers like Clotilde Soupert - and others that are disease-resistant and can handle our long, hot, humid season. If you grow the right roses here, you can still get that abundant feeling (sometimes too abundant), but you do want to leave a bit of room for maintenance in between the roses. And it will take time, and a quarter-acre homesite will take some figuring to provide the flavor of Pam's hillside acres. However, my point isn't to discourage you. You just need to figure out how to make it happen using the restrictions that Florida has given you. I grow mainly Old Garden Roses in Ocala, but have been getting some Austins that like Florida and other moderns like Belinda's Dream that loves Florida. The learning curve as to what thrives here and what doesn't can be quite steep. I think I've rejected way more than I've kept, and I have almost 90 roses. If you like Austins in particular, that's doable. A lady in Sarasota grows 150 of them in her normal-sized yard, but you need to know which ones. Here's a link to a Marion County Rose Society's newsletter with Connie's article about which DA's work for her. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwMlIE2RxuBGRl9RTzJjeEgyNzg/edit My blog is linked below which you might find helpful. So shift your mind just a bit away from Pam's garden toward the beautiful one that is possible here. And stay on this forum. It's a wonderful place - just disregard those nice folks in that dry land west of the Mississippi. There are some posters from the Deep South and Florida on this forum who have pretty much done it all. Listen to them, because things are different here. So glad to have you with us! Sherry Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation......See MoreOGR? Antique?
Comments (16)Laura, it takes some time to learn the basics, which is part of the appeal, because you can learn about roses for the rest of your life. It's such a rich topic. I read the books that Jeri suggested when I first got obsessive about old roses, and a lot of the info went right over my head. I read, and observed, and read again, and observed again, and am still doing it. I'm still shaky on a lot of the info, honestly, and have to go back and look things up. When I began volunteering in the Sacramento cemetery five years ago, I was in awe at people who could identify the class - or the actual rose - at a glance. I was thunderstruck that people actually knew who bred a rose, and what its parentage was, and the year it was introduced! The Vintage Gardens catalog is another wonderful reference. If you are able to visit the cemetery (especially if you are able to move to Sacramento), that's a great way to learn about the roses. Just as a picture is worth a thousand words, the rose plant itself is worth a thousand pictures! The roses are starting to bloom in earnest right now. I think that you had a conflict for our Open Garden on Apr 12 - if you want to visit on another day, just let me know, and I'll try to meet you there. My email is anitac@ surewest.net (no break between @ and surewest). Anita...See MoreDefinition of antiques & OGRs
Comments (21)Hi I see that all poster chose not to mention La France (Guillot 1867) as the first modern rose, and I could not resist doing that :-) Though this is undoubtedly a debatable subject it is this rose that historically has set the date for the modern roses. It was very quickly recognized by the breeder and others as something new different. It was the high centered bud and flower that made the shape of the modern rose. The ideal that this fashion made is still very much alive in the florist roses and in the hybrid teas in the garden. Though it was not so much the technical or botanical factors that initially formed the hybrid tea class as the shape of the flower. Of course the search for better repeat, flower seize, flower shape, winter hardiness also became important qualities of the hybrid tea. At the time of the introduction of La France there was all ready a class of roses, the hybrid perpetual, a group of roses that contained a very wide group of different types of hybrids. Hybrid Perpetuals are not at all as uniform as a class as the Hybrid Tea. Some of the could technically perhaps be classified as hybrid teas. I suppose some of the Austin roses could be placed among the hybrid perpetuals and some as a hybrid portlands, or even gallica and centifolia. Many of the Austin roses are thoroughly modern hybrids of roses like Aloha and other hybrid teas or floribundas. I think I would argue that Austin roses are closer to the hybrid tea than any other group. I consider the rose classification system as a man made theory placed on the roses and breeders that is not entirely the whole picture. It is sort of a instrument to organize the roses according botanical requirements, needs of rose societies, breeders, shows, historical, chronological, sellers and garden growers. There are roses introduced by breeders like Tantau, Kordes and Meilland that really doesn't go easily in to any classification. I suppose terms like "shrubs" is a kind of emergency solution where neither pure botanical or other classification really fits and the use in the garden has become a way to place them. There are quite a number of roses made my breeders like Tantau, Kordes, Meilland and others that in many ways are close to the Austin roses and neither really hybrid tea, floribunda or climber. In a way Austin roses or English roses as a group have much in common with the hybrid tea that it is constructed around an ideal of a flower shape more than any thing else....See MoreBest Advice for Gardeners new to OGR's or Austins
Comments (4)I've never looked up my sunset zone before. I see I'm in zone 39, interesting! I think my advice, besides what you've already mentioned, Lynn, would be to give them space. In my lust for more roses I crowded mine together and regret it now. A lot of mine are tied to trellises so they don't cover neighboring roses and they can't become the robust shruby plants they should be. And be patient. I've found that the Austins and OGRs take time to establish and build up they're structure before they really start to strut their stuff. It took at least 3 years and sometimes 5 before they really gave me those big beautiful displays of blooms. Oh, and easy on the pruning. Let them just grow the first few years and don't prune them at all except for dead wood. After that you can shape some but don't whack them back. I thought they needed pruning like my modern roses but they actually don't like being pruned much. When I stopped pruning them like HTs in the spring I found out they bloomed way better for me....See More
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3 years agochris209 (LI, NY Z7a)
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chris209 (LI, NY Z7a)
3 years agoJeri, always love to see pictures your Grandmother's Hat. Magda, Gentle Hermione is so delicate and pretty.
Here are a couple more I took today
Pink Pet
garden nut z9b
3 years agolast modified: 3 years agoFirst bloom on oneto home saffron
General Washington
Puttin’ on the ritz
Not the best lighting but lady roberts hasn’t stopped blooming.
Dr rouges
moser house perpetual, I got this on a recommendation that it had a lot of similar qualities to red radiance. it has had a decent repeat this season and it has a great fragrance.
Rommagi plot bourbon
chris209 (LI, NY Z7a)
3 years agoGorgeous color on that Oneto home saffron.
This is a huge rambler in front of an old house in my neighborhood. Maybe Crimson Rambler?
And my first bloom from my new Charles Darwin.
noseometer...(7A, SZ10, Albuquerque)
3 years agoMy Austins were hard hit by the late freeze, but some put out a few nice flowers.
Radio Times
Evelyn
Munstead Wood
Abraham Darby
Boscobel
Desdemona
William Shakespeare 2000
ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
3 years agoJust lost everything, will try again.
Wild Edric
Mlle. Franziska Krueger
mjkjrobinson
3 years agochris209 (LI, NY Z7a)
3 years agoBeautiful Ingrid!
Frau Dagmar Hartropp
Pink Pet again - such a great, carefree rose
Carefree Wonder - always loaded with bees!
Chris Martins Zone6a Chicago
3 years agoOnly one Austin in bloom at the moment, the lovely Munstead Wood. It turned vibrant, glowing magenta in the recent heat:
And then of course is Bolero, which is always in bloom. It is not an Austin, but it is a grandchild of Sharifa Asma:
chris209 (LI, NY Z7a)
3 years agoChris, I bet they smell great!
This is a rose I found locally that I believe is the rose going around as Charles Lawson. Once blooming and incredibly healthy and vigorous. Very fragrant too.
Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
3 years agoChris Martins Zone6a Chicago
3 years agolast modified: 3 years agoI love seeing so many photos of beautiful old roses.
Today I was astonished by the scent of my first bloom ever on my band of ‘Souvenir de St Anne’s’. So powerful and so delicious, like pure, sweet, powdery cloves. The bees love it and so do I!
And Barcelona/Francis Dubreuil is always a reliable and extremely fragrant beauty:
monarda_gw
3 years agolast modified: 3 years agoMagda (Ontario, USDA4/5)
3 years ago
I bought six off-patent Austin roses from Palatine last December. I'm most impressed by this one, English Garden (AUSbuff). I hope it survives our winters.
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
3 years ago
Alana8aSC
3 years agoI love The Faun and Lyda Chris! So beautiful! They just jumped really high on my want/need list!
Here is some flowers I did in a wheelbarrow I got from the dump.
Ballerina
Golden Wings
Ispahan
Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
3 years agoPlumeria Girl (Florida ,9b)
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Krista_5NY
3 years agoDuchesse de Rohan
Felicia
Olivia Rose Austin
Mme Pierre Oger
William Shakespeare 2000
The Mayflower
Kathleen Harrop
Marchesa Boccella
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
3 years ago
Edhelka (North Wales, UK)
3 years agoMost of my roses could fit here and I take (way too) many photos. So these are the best of/more interesting ones/my favourites/whatever I feel like posting right now.
Reine des Violettes
Gabriel Oak (2019 DA)
Silas Marner (2020 DA)
Our Beth (Beales, Louise Odier x floribunda)
The Prince
Claire Jolly (Lens HM)
chris209 (LI, NY Z7a)
3 years agoSheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
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3 years agochris209 (LI, NY Z7a)
3 years agoNot much blooming for me at the moment.
Darlow's Enigma is one exception.
biff72
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vesfl (zone 5b/6a, Western NY)
3 years ago'Ghislaine de Feligonde'
I have three crimson colored roses and just recently bought 'Falstaff''.
Here is 'Munstead Wood'
'Charles de Mills'
'Erinnerung an Brod'
Another button-eye rose, "Madame Hardy'
I posted this 'Ispahan' photo on Carol's thread, but love this rose so much that I hope it's fine to post it here too. 'Peggy Martin' is photobombing in the top left corner :-)
'Crown Princess Margareta'
chris209 (LI, NY Z7a)
3 years agoVesfl those purples are wonderful. Not much blooming right now in the garden for me. Just a couple blooms here and there.
Teasing Georgia
Bliss Parfuma
Imogen
Some zinnias
And a lovely monarch!
Sunny Michigan
3 years agopalustris68
3 years agoJust a note on the crimson rambler above: 'Crimson Rambler' is very easy to identify because of the profusion of bristles on the pedicels: they look like orangutan arms. Also 'Crimson Rambler' is slightly maroon rather than crimson. So the ID for that red rose above is probably the Walsh rose 'Excelsa.'
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