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Do you buy 1 rose per variety at a time, or multiples?

3 years ago

This year I bought over a dozen roses, mostly just 1 per variety, except Zephirine Drouhin, Lavender Veranda and Bolero where I got 2 of each.

Do you usually buy 1 at a time, and see whether it grows well in your garden before buying more? If so do you leave space in the garden for more Of it later? Or do you buy multiples at a time, like odd numbered multiples so they look more intentional in the garden?

I am thinking of buying Summer Romance, but not sure if I should buy 2 or 3 at a time or just 1 first.

I know in garden design its recommended to have odd number of the same shrub for structure, but not sure if rose falls into this category.

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summersrhythm_z6a

3 years ago

last modified: 3 years ago

Lol, when I bought truck loads of carefree roses I wasn't a rose gardener, I was tired of different colors of evergreens, just wanted a colorful garden that was different than all my neighbors. Lol Then those colorful landscaping roses dragged me into a fragrant rose hole......I basically work for roses, not loaded at all. :-)

Here are a couple photos of those truck loads of landscaping roses (250 pots) in 2011. I planted them close to each other, because I wanted a massive colors like creating an oil painting in the front yard (not a right thing to do)...... I started from a different path than most of gardeners here. I was clueless and somehow wandered into a wonderful rose world........

Then I started to add more and more......

Even a dog poop can got roses too......

Mailman can't find my mailbox.......

The garden became messy, and out of control.......it's time to move soon, and to start another mess......lol

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verdantcroft
3 years ago
last modified: 3 years ago
A lot depends on your personal design style. Are you a one-of-everything person? A structured/formal look (i.e., the odd numbers of plants you mentioned, or even equal numbers on both sides of an object) type person? Do you like the cottage garden look? Or (this would be me) do you prefer masses and swaths and drifts of color?

Think about what really appeals to you, and go from there.

Edit:

Research the forums (always hours of fun!!) to learn which roses do well in your area. Some vendors are really helpful, too - ARE and High Country, for example.
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sbrklyn_7bny
Original Author
3 years ago
Vendantcroft: thank you! I am going for a cottage but neat style so think I’ll ended up needing a few of the same roses, or perhaps roses that look good together. like in this picture from Garden Answer where she planted 3 Lady Gardener roses, but not in a straight line. But if I buy a few at once and they don’t perform well in my environment it I would hate to have to take them all out, hence the dilemma.
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rosecanadian
3 years ago
Gosh, that's a beautiful design she created! I could never do that...I'm just not creative enough. My goodness!! :)
jjpeace (zone 5b Canada)
3 years ago
I usually buy one first to see how it does in my garden. If it does well and I really love it, I would consider more of the same rose. Since I have a postage stamp garden, space is not a luxury for me.
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Diane Brakefield
3 years ago
That's a pretty picture and lovely collection of plants, but the first thing I thought when I saw it was that in my garden those Austins would be higher than the fence in another year, not to mention pushing out over the walkway. Austins get big in zone 7 and up, and I see you are in zone 7. I buy roses in numbers from 1 to 4 at a time (I'm out of space, so I'm not buying currently). If you want the look shown above, go ahead and buy more than one rose, bearing in mind that your roses will probably get quite a bit bigger than those shown (if they're Austins), and allow for more space than the example above. I wouldn't worry too much about having to take them out before giving the roses a try. Diane
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Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
3 years ago
I knew from my sister's yard that Julia Child was a great rose and I wanted a hedge between my neighbors so I chose 4 Julia Child. 3 for the hedge and one for the front of the house. I also bought 4 Desdamona . So yes, I guess that I do buy multiples without trying one first.
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mmmm12COzone5
3 years ago
I started off buying multiples for landscape and garden design purposes. But only one, Pretty Lady Rose, really worked out well for me. The others either got moved or some of the batch died. So now I buy just one for the cutting bed and will consider buying more of one if there is one that performs well in all aspects. So far I am too new to have gotten to that point. I have only been growing for 4 years. There are so many form factors and aspects that I'm still experimenting with different types of roses to learn what I like.

If you have ones that you know do great in your area then I think that de-risks buying multiples for landscape purposes.
Minshen (8b/9a Victoria BC)
3 years ago
I do both. Initially for structure and neatness of the landscape I buy a few sets of multiples of the same roses, sort of as “anchors” for my already loosely cottage styled and very mixed garden. These ones I research and take a leap of faith. But yeah, there can be moments of regret.

Then for the rest of the spots I just indulge in buying and trying out one of each variety, but keeping in mind of the overall colour scheme in general. For ones that I really want but don’t fit the colour scheme, I grow them in pots and the backyard.
Rose Lai (9b)
3 years ago
I have been gardening for 4 years now, and initially I bought multiple roses to create color patterns. I have a semi-formal Mediterranean garden in the SF Bay, and space isn't an issue. I soon learned that some roses, which I think should do well based upon overall review, didn't do well in my micro-climate, so I have removed multiple of them and planted something else. I found this quite painful. Since I am very much a beginner, my taste also evolved and some roses I liked initially are no longer appealing to me now. A third problem with mass planting is as Diane had mentioned. Some of the roses just got too big here in California for the space, and I have removed and replaced them.

Last year I created a section of my garden that is dedicated for testing new roses. I only got 1 each and see how they do first. If something worked for the first 2 years, I will have the option of adding more in other space of my garden.

On the other hand, there were quite a few that definitely have worked out well in groups, and I am glad that I purchased several of them initially because they got established all together now.

So there is no right or wrong answer. Depending on the level of your patience, your gardening experience, how much money you are willing to spend, layout and amount of space in your garden, you can choose to do either way, or something of both. A small number of roses can do well regardless of micro-climate, but they are far and few in between. As a beginner, I am continuing to learn that roses surprised me in many ways. I can never predict how they will do until I care for them for 2 - 3 years.
Lilyfinch z9a Murrieta Ca
3 years ago
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This is such a good question and definitely interesting to read everyone’s responses !! I’m glad you asked this .

Personally, in my mind I woods love to have a row of certain roses I love . But due to space constraints , I have bought in singles . With the exception of pairs for my arbors , I only have a duplicate of Roald Dahl ( one was sent very damaged) and bliss . If I could , I’d add extra moonlight in Paris and Olivia . I tend towards collecting any roses that catch my eye , over a beautiful planned design that I wish I could commit to .

eta : if I wanted a certain look , off the bat I wood order the three or whatever needed to keep growth habits the same , it would really bother me to have them be at different sizes
BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14)
3 years ago
In the particular case of Summer Romance, which you’re considering , I’d just start with one. It seems to be a particularly fickle variety. For some people it blooms really well, for others, it hardly blooms at all despite growing rudely huge and healthy. I’m currently deciding if one rudely healthy yet stingy Summer Romance is one too many.
summersrhythm_z6a
3 years ago
For landscaping roses, I have bought them in truck loads. Lol For rose collection, the uncommon ones I like to buy extras for safety. For popping the colors in my gardens, I like to have more than 3,. For Chinese feng shui in a garden, I like buy everything in pairs........that makes me a rose shopaholic. Lol
Lilyfinch z9a Murrieta Ca
3 years ago
Oh yeah ben is right. I forgot my summer romance was stingy and bloomed on ends with such tight buds that it opened weird . :(

summers , I’d love to have your buying power one day , I say with admiriation!! You must share more pics with us please! :)
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
3 years ago
SR loves to be cut back here, FWIW. It will grow huge and just bloom at the tips otherwise in my garden. I love multiples and have them in mirrored beds, but also choose similar roses to see which does best.
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sbrklyn_7bny
Original Author
3 years ago
It’s fun to read everyone’s comments and considerations! It seems that there is no wrong way to buy roses:)

BenT and Lilyfinch: Thank you for the info on Summer Romance. It gets mixed review, same with madame Anisette. So I think I’ll get Abraham Darby instead. It seems to get really good reviews.

mmmm12, jjpeace, minshen,, and Rose Lai: yes it is really hard to predict what would grow well in one‘S garden. I guess it has to be a trial and error process. I like the idea of having an area just to try roses out.

Diane and Kristine: I have 1 Olivia still leafing out and 2 Boleros on the way. So look forward to them blooming. I have read so many good things about these two that I think I’ll go ahead and buy more of them. Olivia seems hard to find now so I’ll make sure to order bareroots early this fall.

Rosecanadian: that‘s my favorite picture from Laura’s planting. I like white, pink and lavender colors as well. But as Diane pointed out the Lady Gardeners will grow a lot taller in a few years so curious how that close planting will look like long term.

Summersrhythm: I am becoming a rose shopaholic too. Have to tell myself to stop now that it’s getting too hot. My garden is small so space and the look are the main concern. Cost is less of a concern. Not that I have extra money but when I buy roses I enjoy it everyday for years, at the cost of a takeout meal, a shirt I don’t really “need”, or a few cups of coffee...
sbrklyn_7bny
Original Author
3 years ago
Summersrhythm: your garden looks like a dream. I wish you are my neighbor!
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
3 years ago
Dream is right!!! I have never seen these pictures. I don't know how you can leave it. Wow. What are these roses? Remind me if you spray for BS, please. It's just incredible.
Diane Brakefield
3 years ago
Summers, I knew you had some gorgeous photos up your sleeve. I remember the mailbox photo. Are you serious about leaving all this? I don't see any messy and out of control roses. They are all beautiful and blooming in abundance. You are too modest. Thanks for posting these....and if you have anymore photos, I know we'd love to see them. Diane
rosecanadian
3 years ago
sbrklyn - that's a good point! But, it will probably be such a mass of color that it will look fabulous!

Summers - Oh come on!!!! Your yard is REALLY that glorious? :) :) GLORIOUS!!!! INCREDIBLE!!!
summersrhythm_z6a
3 years ago
Thank you very much guys for your kind words! I will move most of roses to the new property (in a deer zone), so this place would have some yard back, the house will be a rental after we get some work done. We'd need replace carpet with vinyl plank in pretty much every room. We will be doing this by ourselves, it will take some time, so I have time to dig the smaller roses up this fall, and move the bigger ones next spring. A couple huge ramblers and some landscaping roses will stay, I probably will have to maintain the roses 2-3 times per month, unless tenants are gardeners.
Diane Brakefield
3 years ago
Summers, how do you find time to do all this? You have my admiration for taking on such a huge job, but I'm happy to know you'll be moving many of these roses. Still, it does multiply your commitment to the roses left to the renters. I hope you get some potential gardeners, particularly rose gardeners, renting this property. Now, get ready to test deer repellents (if you haven't already). Just what you need--another job. I recommend "Deer Out" concentrate sold on Amazon. Costly, though. Diane
oursteelers 8B PNW
3 years ago
Your photos were amazing!!! I hope the deer leave you alone at the new place! And yes, more pictures please!

In regard to your post, I’m a just buy one kind of girl. There are only so many places to put roses here and I want them all so I can only have one of each.
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3 years ago
Thanks again. There is a lot of work indeed, I am always behind, but I do what I can. Thanks for mentioning about Deer Out, will order 1 gal for extra protection. So far the PA garden is safe from deer, roses are near the houses. Maybe there is too much human scent or fishing line is working. Found 2 roses dead with vole damage though, treated garden with Molemax from HD. Hopefully it works. Here is a photo from the country garden, you could see the fishing line, weeds and grass. :-)
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
3 years ago
If you get fishing line in early, that might work so they don't get in the habit and leave scent trails for their brethren.
summersrhythm_z6a
3 years ago
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I ordered 32 oz Deer Out to try out. I am checking on their Critter Out for vole control.
Minshen (8b/9a Victoria BC)
3 years ago
I used to spray Bobbex and it helped to some extent, maybe keeping the deer away from my roses for 60% -70% of the time. But sometimes you get some really really hungry ones that just don’t care... Plus you’d have to re-apply every time after it rains to make sure it stays working. The cost easily mounts up. I succumbed to deer fence and netting. They are surprisingly invisible.
bayarea_girl_z10a_ca
3 years ago
Summer, I finally see your amazing garden. It's gorgeous. I always want to see where you put all the roses that you got from all the sales, lol. Helen
summersrhythm_z6a
3 years ago
Thanks, now you see i am living in a rose jungle. :-)
bayarea_girl_z10a_ca
3 years ago
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I have two styles for my garden. The front yard is landscape style where multiple of the same roses were planted. The backyard is collector style where I got one for each rose and two for really rare/favorite roses so I can have backups in case they die. In the backyard, I planted different roses of similar colors near each other so it looks almost like I have multiple of the same rose and it gives the backyard garden a cohesive look. Here is a pic of my backyard. Helen
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Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
3 years ago
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Summers, what you call a jungle, I call heaven!!! But I'll happily let you prune it! That task and getting water to the lower level are the two things stopping me from rose overload, if there is such a thing. I have space for a LOT of roses without it looking packed just on the perimeter.Your pics from the country place have been tempting.

Helen, I started out doing the same in my front, but when I realized it will be some time before I get an arbor up I just planted everything there just to get it all in the ground. I figure I can move it later and as I had planned for them to go together in the first place they look more intentional than not! In my private backyard upper border and fountain area, I've done the same since there are so many roses to grow and I want to experience them all! Difficult spots get a mass planting if I find something that likes it there such as Pink Pet or Ghislaine de Feligonde. I've often thought that would make an interesting post: roses that look similar in bush, colour and even bloom. Your last picture is beautiful.
bayarea_girl_z10a_ca
3 years ago
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Summer, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. While I think my backyard garden looks nice, my sister thinks it looks like a rose jungle. She's right because I didn't show the area where I still need to remove the weeds and vines, and that area looks a bit like a jungle, lol. This year, my garden is being attacked by bindweed. The bindweed is either from the wind or the birds, and it is so aggressive. It chokes up the roses.

Thanks Vaporvac. Temporary locations become permanent ones. As long as it looks good to us, I think that is all that matter :) Helen
summersrhythm_z6a
3 years ago
Helen, what a beautiful garden you have there!! :-) What would happen if we were all neighbors?!

We could have tea parties, pruning parties........ lol

Sorry sbrklyn, we are off the path here. :-)
mmmm12COzone5
3 years ago
I know I'm the odd duck but if I had any of you for neighbors and you let me wander your property I wouldn't grow any roses at all. I would just wander around admiring your handiwork! :-)
summersrhythm_z6a
3 years ago
Thanks Vap! How many acres do you have? I know you have some land for roses. Can't wait to see your garden photos. :-)
summersrhythm_z6a
3 years ago
mmmm12, lol, I am sure we'd find some work for you in exchange for a fragrant bouquet. :-)
sbrklyn_7bny
Original Author
3 years ago
Summer: thank you for sharing pictures of your garden. Your roses look so healthy. My garden is always plagued by various kinds of pests so I am always jealous of others’ healthy roses.

Helen: I love the idea of planting similar roses together. So far I managed to buy only white, shades of pink and lavender roses. I resisted the urge to get yellow, red, and orange colored ones. I have Lavender Veranda, Bolero, Earth Angel, and Olivia and they are all light colored so I think they might look okay together.
bayarea_girl_z10a_ca
3 years ago
Thanks Summer. Tea parties and pruning parties sound wonderful...lol. Helen
Karen F
3 years ago
Hahahah I went to our nearest garden Centre Terra just to see if they had a drift rose. That was my 2nd mistake. Next was going to look at the roses saw none that I wanted as I already had most of them. However I then saw the climbing roses on the next table that was 3rd mistake. :D Did a double take at seeing they had the coral dawn rose as that was the one I just saw online a few nights ago and was mesmerized by it then. That was my lst mistake!!! So upon seeing they actually had some for sale ended up getting one of them. You should see it now lots of buds on it so it must like where it is. Has 4 buds on it!!! Can hardly wait to see them. Gets the shade in the morning but around 2 or 3 pm gets the sun until it sets in the west. No such thing as the east side of our building as that is where the parking lot is. Also too in that garden they might toss the snow from the side walk and two third of that garden is like a disaster area with weeds, irises, black eyed susans all growing together in it. Gardeners the region hired never did clear it out instead went to the other one that this lady whom I got my keys for my apt when I moved in took out her mini hydrangea that she had in there for oh 10 years and my lone apricot drift rose. Then went out the back and did a number on the rhubarb. Lost one of the plants but the other 2 pulled through their ignorance. Region ended up firing them and they never got in anybody else after that to do them. Still have somebody come and cut the grass out the back but that is it.
Karen F
3 years ago
I also bought a lemon drift rose too but from another garden centre. If by chance if I ever come across another Always Rose will nab it. But with it, the at last and the strike it rich ones I find that one has to get them when you see them. I can't get two as I don't drive I take local transit and have only my shopping buggy to get one rose bush in it. Sooooo chances are if I go back to get a 2nd one it is unfortunately gone. Found it a bit of challenge this year getting any due to the corona virus. Might have better luck next year. Anybody that had a car and could drive to one had an advantage of getting more than one. Then again one couldn't go out that often thru the week. Mind you hardly anybody is on our bus during it. Maybe 3 or 4. Next year is when the Aurora Borealis one comes out. Know right where I want to put it :) It is from the same ones that brought out the Shield Rose and the chinook sunrise. Have both of these. Chafing at the bit to see the flowers on the Chinook one!!!
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
3 years ago
Those newest Canadians look beautiful in the picture. I'm so interested in The Shield Rose. Is it fragrant? I'm sorry you can't get two roses at one time. Maybe they would hold one for you if you asked. Just a thought. ;-)
Karen F
3 years ago
last modified: 3 years ago
Yes it is and it is beautiful. Grew really high up to my waist. The one lady said to me that I better cut it back or I won't get any blooms on it when there is 5 of us that used to meet for coffee last year before the virus came here.

I said really?? I don't think so. Backed me up as it did got over 20 on it!!! Can smell them when they first come out have to sniff them up close. But not as fragrant as the At last one or my Always and Forever one. Of course it is a hybrid tea rose. Here is a picture of my Shield rose. Is looking fantastic right now. Getting buds on it had the one lady cut it back for me in April. Still looks really healthy. This was last year or the year before.
Karen F
3 years ago
I think the bottom one is it the top one was taken in 2017. The garden since then has been done over by the two ladies that reside here. At least they know what are roses. Would you believe we have 3 floors in our seniors building and I am the ONLY ONE in it that grows them!!! Hahahah just call me the Rose lady. Tried growing hollyhocks here nope not happening I thought ok I may be nuts but lets try some roses see what happens. Weill they far outdid the hollyhocks in leaps and bounds. Never grew them back at our house either. Dad was the one that looked after our gardens.
Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
3 years ago
It's never too late to grow roses. They really give so much for so little. I'm glad you're able to have them where you live.

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