Miele Diamond vs Thermador sapphire Dishwasher
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Dishwasher Showdown - Miele vs. Bosch. vs Maytag
Comments (13)We moved about 2 years ago and thus I have recent experience with both Bosch and Miele dishwashers. Our old house had a Bosch Dishwasher (800 series) that was about 5 years old when we moved. When we moved into our new house it had a Kitchen Aid dishwasher and we realized in the first couple weeks that it needed to be replaced because: 1. it didn't clean the dishes and 2. it was ridiculously noisy. So, we replaced it with a Miele. We were going to buy a Bosch, but we got a really good deal on a Miele. Both dishwashers do a very good job cleaning the dishes and are equally quiet (i.e., if I am standing next to either of them I can't tell that the are running). All in all they are very similar so I will just list the things I find are different between them. My wife likes a clean look, so both dishwashers had hidden controls. Bosch: Pros: I really liked the light it had that lit up the floor red to tell you it was on and green to tell you it was finished. This way I didn't accidentally open the door when it was running. Cons: The little plastic wheel that are used to slide the bottom tray in and out kept falling off and/or breaking. On a positive, for some reason we were given a lot of extra wheels when it was installed (either by the installer, the company that sold it, or the manufacturer) so it was no problem to replace/fix, which indicated to me that someone anticipated this would be an issue. Miele: Pros - seems like a sturdy construction and we've had no problems at all so far. - 3D cutlery tray. We almost didn't get the Miele because of this, but it turns out this thing is great and far superior to the old style basket holder. It speeds up loading and unloading cutlery and is a big positive. I, however, think the new Bosch's have something similar. Cons - it doesn't have the light that lights up the floor, thus it is not uncommon for me to open the dishwasher while it is running. - the dang beep when it is finished running annoys me. I preferred the Bosch's green light on the floor....See MoreMiele Vs. Thermador Ovens (Steam & Conventional)
Comments (1)I did a full Thermador package a few months ago as part of a new build, including the steam oven. I've posted a few times about my experience and you can search posts if interested. Bottom line: It's all good....See MoreWolf vs Thermador & Viking, Miele vs Bosch - YMMV
Comments (9)For more input, at least preliminarily, as I have not had more than 2 months with our new appliances: The major appliances in my old home have not needed any service calls. Seriously! The Wolf oven heats to the programed temp (checked with an interior thermometer regularly) and retains the temp well with little or no heat leakage. I do not experience hots spots. The cooktop burners go from the highest high to the lowest low (and simmers without the annoying clicking sound on other units). My only question for Wolf initially was the long preheat time but we figured out it was because I was leaving a pizza stone in there permanently to even out the temp but found out that it was not necessary and that was actually increasing the necessary time to come to temp so "my bad." I love the Wolf. Vent a hood exhaust is awesome! I love, love, love the Miele dishwasher. It has the best capacity of any washer I have ever used. Service for 16, easy! I thought I would hate the silverware rack but I came to love it. I have NEVER needed a service on this unit. Cleans great. Very quiet. I wish there was a "short cycle" for quick jobs though. I am a strong proponent of the GE Advantium and it's flexibility but understand that newer technology have come to market since that might be superior? I cannot speak to that. Works well as a microwave and a "toaster oven" and does not need preheating or heat up the kitchen. It has a larger capacity than a traditional microwave so it doubles as a second oven. It has never needed a service either. I do like my Miele coffee but understand that the nature of the beast is that the units do not last as long as other appliances. It was necessary to replace our original after 10 years but this new one is even better than the last. The plumbed feature makes everything much easier. I joke with friends that it does almost everything but milk the cow. We had a glitch with the subzero undercounter wine fridge but I was told it was a manufacturing defect for that particular year. All repairs to the compressor in it's early years were covered even after the warranty expired. No trouble since and the 2 zone cooling works great. New kitchen: Viking 5 burner cooktop - flame capacity (High and low) is limited and fluctuates depending on the burner I choose. Location of burners are not as conveniently located (there are larger and smaller plates) and are not organized so that you can actually have 5 pots on at the same time. Viking hood not nearly as powerful Thermador oven: currently operating approx 25 degrees under what it says on the temp indicator. hot spots and some features not working correctly. There is no light and I cannot find where the bulb would be located to replace it. I have not had time to look online or contact Thermador directly. Thermador micro - hot spots and less intuitive programing than the GE. We wind up just using "add 30 sec" feature. I miss the halogen light feature if the Advantium Layout of the Bosch is just dumb! consequently we need to run it more often because it fills up often. Dishes require a lot of pre-cleaning. It is equally as quiet as the Miele however. I'm replacing the Jura Impressa espresso entirely asap. I find it necessary microwave the Latte/cappuccino to make it hot enough. Small water, milk and bean capacity makes it so you can only make 2 coffee's before needing to refill. Features are antiquated but I have been told newer units are better. I haven't decided to do a built in or countertop as of yet. I hope that helps. I will be researching here again when it is time to start from scratch in our new home....See MoreNeed new dishwasher - Bosch 800 series vs Kitchenaid vs Miele?
Comments (28)Most or all miele dealers carry no inventory ! So, being saddled with a non seller isn't really plausible. Mom , it's very surprising that your DISHES weren't dry if you used rinse aid. Things like tupperware lids, sippycup tops, and other plastic items with channels that collect water and have no mass - yes. But those things are often wet out of heated dry makes too. My MIL had a GE with a huge element in the bottom and all the grandkid's stuff was wet after a cycle in that too. Yes, Bosch has cheaper models, but feature for feature (which is hard to align) they are pretty much the same price. Now, factor in that Miele makes all of their units in Germany with astronomical wage scales, ships them here, and pays duty on them, makes me wonder if the Bosch stuff made in rural NC is a tad over priced in comparison ? Still fine machines - and yes, I have a couple of them as well as Mieles....See MoreHU-969925625
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