24" microwave and wall oven?

3 years ago

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Hi All, I'm finalizing a kitchen remodel which includes a 36" all gas range. I have 60" of cabinet space next to the refrigerator which I was thinking of splitting into a 36" pantry and a 24" wall oven and microwave and some storage. I thought a 24" electric/convection oven and a 24" microwave would be nice since having a 30" oven with a 36" range would be overkill.

So my questions are as follows:

1. Is a 36" pantry enough for storage for an average family of 4? There is upper and lower cabinet space throughout, so the pantry should only be for food.

2. Are there any good built in microwaves and convection oven solutions in 24". Most wall mount microwave and oven combo products seem to come in 30", so any guidance would be appreciated.

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BeverlyFLADeziner

3 years ago

I had a 24" wall oven many years ago and could not use it at the holidays. It held nothing.

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chispa
3 years ago
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For a second oven in 24" size I would highly recommend the MIele CSO (convection steam oven). You could then place a microwave drawer under it. You can do a search for both on the forum and you will get lots of information.

I have the 24" Miele CSO XXL which is their larger model and around 23" high. I also got the plumbed version (water & drain), but many here are very happy with their non-plumbed versions. If you are like the rest of us, you will find that you end up using the Miele CSO as your main oven most of the time. It is a great appliance.

As far as MW drawer, Sharp makes most of them and they get rebranded by other vendors, with outside looks and some features changed.
I K
Original Author
3 years ago
Thanks for the reply. Does the steam oven function as a regular oven as well? I’ve never used a steam oven and really only want to use the 36” gas range oven if cooking or baking something big, so I’d like the 24” wall oven to do all baking and cooking functions.
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chispa
3 years ago
last modified: 3 years ago
@I K, the CSO, is a convection oven, steam oven, convection-steam oven, food warmer w/steam, broiler, etc. It is a great appliance. The Miele CSO, specially in the XXL size would be able to cook a turkey just fine. It heats up quickly too. If I had to design a new kitchen tomorrow that is the one appliance I would have to buy again.

Do a search here on the kitchen forum and you'll get lots of info. You can also google and there are youtube videos showcasing the products.

Where are you located? Some areas have a Miele Experience Showroom that have demonstrations and cooking classes. I am not a fan of chicken breast meat, but the 2 large chickens they cooked in one oven, at the same time, was crispy outside and incredibly moist inside, including the breast meat. We've eaten more fish since we got the CSO, as it is easy to steam/bake the fish and not have the house smell afterwards.
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3 years ago
You’re not doing your math correctly. You’ll need fillers in there for clearance for everything. A 36” fridge needs a minimum 39” space by the time you account for side panels, etc. , and if you don’t account for the handles of the oven or pantry, you can get dented doors. You need fillers.

You are not getting bigger than a 30” pantry with your wall of tall setup. Not after clearance spacing happens.
wdccruise
3 years ago
Miele 2.4 cu. ft., 24 inch Single Wall Steam Oven: $5,300--$5,700

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