Color after a few days.

Look at those sepals! Resinous, too.

I’m afraid that I have no helpful suggestions as to ID, but it is absolutely lovely!! I’m sure one of the very knowledgeable rosarians on here will know the rose. Good luck with propagating!

Without knowing more about the growth habit of a mature (unpruned) plant, my guess would be what we in the west have been calling "Charles Lawson", a hybrid Bourbon. Its very tough and reliable, blooms a lot, and adult canes tend to be much more horizontal than vertical: it makes an umbrella-shaped plant when left to grow as it pleases.

Do the canes down low tend to be fairly thorn-free, with only a few prickles up near the flowers?

I'm hopeless on once-bloomers, but I do know that Charles Lawson has been found in your general area. It was one of the roses we found on Mare Island.

I could be way off base on this, and the leaves don't seem to have the bluish-green color the albas are known for, but could it possibly be Queen of Denmark (Koenigin von Daenemark)?

Sheba, my first thought was Charles Lawson, too. Check out Jannorcal's photo on HMF. Under the comments section on HMF, Patricia Routley offers a great description, including that "the stipule is edged with glands and hairs." Carol

Not sure it's a match but look at this listing for "Dr. Peck's 12th Avenue Smoothie" on HMF:

https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.26267&tab=1

@belmont8 I strongly suspect that "Dr. Peck's Smoothie" is the same rose more commonly traveling under the name "Charles Lawson", so we are likely pointing to the same ID.

In the fourth photo down (by shebabee) you can see the guard petals are rather misshapen, which is also a very distinctive trait of the "Charles Lawson' bloom. Its one of those roses whose outer petals retain some sepal traits in them, and so they are a bit shapeless/twisted.

@ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9 Not a bad guess, Ingrid, but no, not 'Konigen von Daenemark', I'm quite sure of that. 'KvonD' is most distinctive in its foliage, dense, hooked thorns, and sepal/blooms structures. 'K von D' is a very carefully structured bloom that does not remain cupped when open, but recurves quite a bit, often revealing a button eye that wasn't obvious at the beginning, appearing to be a tightly quartered bloom. Also, its foliage is quite matte and blue-green, with sharply serrated leaf margins. This is a very good photo to illustrate it:

https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.284441

'K von D' from my garden:

I would also point out that shebabee's photos (and text) indicate that hers is a cool pink bloom that becomes more lavender as it ages. 'K von D' is quite a warm pink that shifts to a neutral pink with age, never lavender.

Well, if we're talkin' about "Dr. Peck's 12th Ave. Smoothie" I've got good images of THAT:

This gives you a good look at the buds and the foliage.

@jerijen

This looks identical to the "Charles Lawson" rose I have seen all over the west coast. No idea what its real name is/was (The "Charles Lawson" designation was what Heirloom applied to it 20 years ago, and they were infamous for mislabeling in the display garden, so...)

See how the guard petals are always crumpled at the early bud stage? That's typical of this rose. In many climates, it also tends to abort 1/4 of its smaller buds if its not enjoying the weather.

Jeri, does the rose have a distinct red zone on the inner petioles of the leaf stem? That too is a signature of this rose.

Historical note: Twenty-two years ago Ralph Moore also had this rose in his archive or mystery/found roses. He told me this came to him from Ludwig's in S. Africa many years ago. I had collected this rose in two locations in Oregon prior to receiving a piece from Ralph - one from Salem and one from an abandoned site in Corvallis - all three plants were identical. I wish I could remember the name Ralph had on his plant, but I cannot recall. Seems to me it was a generic descriptive of some sort. Maybe Kim remembers this one?

Wow--I think we've got it! I looked at all the photos and read everything I could find on HMF and on this forum about Charles Lawson (in commerce) and Dr. Peck's 12th Avenue Smoothie, and along with your comments here, I'm convinced that's what we've got! Thank you so much, everyone, for responding!

Carol, yes, I read Patricia's description and it seemed spot-on!

Jeri, your photo is a dead ringer for this rose.

One thing I haven't noticed is any mention of the resinous quality. Is this a characteristic this rose?

And -- does anyone know anything about this Dr. Peck? I saw a comment (I think on HMF from Jill P) saying that the rose in the Sacto Cemetery was found in Vacaville. But I couldn't find a 12th Avenue in Vacaville. There IS a 12th Avenue in Sacramento (and many other towns....), and there is a contemporary Dr. Peck now in practice in Sacramento. I'd love to know more about any of this history.

Paul -- in response to some of your questions:

1. I haven't explored the base of the stems and will try to later today -- but yes, the stems as far as I've reached are smooth--see the last of the photos I posted above--and there are prickles at the tops by the buds.

2. The plant does seem to grow more horizontally than upward. But as for it's potential size -- I couldn't know as I've never seen it any larger than it is now. It doesn't get any care.

3. This rose must indeed be very tough! A real survivor:

Some back story. I live in the western part of San Francisco. I've been aware of this little rose for about 5 years, growing in a corner to the side of a house very near my building. It was never more than 2 or 3 feet tall and I would see only one or two sad little roses on it each year. It appeared to get no care or water other than rain, and we've had drought for years, and even in normal years, we normally don't get rain between March and November. So it looked terrible, foliage was sparse and ugly. I kept checking but I didn't want to take any material for cuttings as there was so little to go with, and it looked so stressed.

Two or 3 years ago, someone hacked it back to the ground. I was so upset. Soon after, I was able to talk with the owner, who was painting some trim out front -- I never see anyone around that place and I don't think anyone even lives there most of the time. She told me that her daughter was living at the house then and "wasn't interested" in the plants. She didn't know anything about the rose or how long it had been there. I never saw her or anyone around the place since.

BUT --

I kept a close eye on that space! And after awhile, I saw that it was trying to come back. I kept watching it, hoping that it would be left in peace in its little corner. Last spring, it was at about 2 feet tall, and there were a few roses and some better foliage. We have finally had more rain the past two years, and we've also had the rarity of late rains in April -- plus a lot more sunshine than usual. The roses and other flowering plants have never been like this in the @30 years I've lived in this neighborhood -- it's an amazing change, and I'm sure gave this rose a big push. This year, as you can see, it has made a great comeback, with very healthy foliage and lots of blooms and buds for its size. You can be sure that I'm taking some cuttings!

It's so exciting to "find" an old rose right in my neighborhood -- and this is one of TWO that I found that same spring. The other is maybe a mile from here, looking so splendid this year. I think I have gotten one or two cuttings that are taking. I shared photos of it with Gregg L. and he thought it is likely the found rose "California Malton" aka William Jesse -- and it's really a stunner, repeat blooming and very fragrant, on the corner where it lives. There are very few roses hereabouts -- you will see (fortunately) Mlle Cecile Brunner -- and then the random modern hybrid teas stuck here and there and an Iceberg -- but that's about it. There is one more rose I spotted last spring in front of an older house not far from here -- I will have to go looking for it soon to try to find out what it might be. I'm sure there were many more roses here in the old days; it's wonderful to find a few that remain.

Thanks so much for helping me with my discovery.

Sheba

I wish I could answer questions about "Dr. Peck's 12th Avenue Smoothie," but it's one I photographed at its best in the Sacramento City Cemetery.

Right now, I can't put my hand on my catalog, and the on-line catalog requires a login and user name (why, I don't know). But you might also like to see the full-plant shot:

The arch is of course gone now, and I expect the roses were hacked almost to the ground, but you can see what it ONCE was.

We need to check. I had the impression this was one of Fred Boutin's finds, but I could be wrong.

@shebabee

"One thing I haven't noticed is any mention of the resinous quality. Is this a characteristic this rose?"

Yes, definitely.

Here's a bit more from HMF that might be of interest:

https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.26267.1&tab=32

I met a nice retired physician from Oakland CA at the HRF conference in 2005. I can't remember his name but I wonder if he was Dr. Peck? There is a Eugene Peck credited in the Vintage catalog as a source for some roses. Anyway, perhaps the 12th Avenue referred to is in East Oakland.

And aha, here are screenshots from the Sacramento Cemetery catalog --

So it seems that Dr. Peck lives/lived in Oakland.

Jeri, I saw that photo on HMF last night and saved it as a bookmark -- just stunning.

Oh, my goodness -- roses! And rose people, and history! With your help, unraveling the links between this valiant old rose down the street from me, to the Sacrament Historic Cemetery, and finally to Eugene Harold Peck, MD, of Oakland. He sounds like a wonderful man. RIP, Dr. Peck.

" . . . 'Gene' grew up near Springfield, Ohio. He attended medical school at Ohio State University and subsequently was a well-known pediatrician at Kaiser in Oakland. Gene retired from medicine in his sixties and enjoyed tending his roses; he had over 100 varieties in his garden and he even volunteered for a time at the Horticultural Center in Golden Gate Park. Gene also loved the arts."

More here:

http://blog.californiaancestors.org/2016/02/a-remembrance-dr-eugene-peck.html

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/eastbaytimes/obituary.aspx?n=eugene-howard-peck&pid=178099954

And since we know that Ed Wilkinson was involved with this, maybe someone could ask him about it, as well. (Jill Perry, do you have a contact for Ed?)

It might be nice to know where Dr. Peck came by it.

Shebabee . . . Are you located near to where Dr. Peck lived????

Yep, that's the man I met. It's interesting to learn more about him. I would love to have seen his garden!

GOLLY Belmont ... so would I!

Dr. Peck passed away in 2016. I wonder if the house belongs to a family member -- and also what has become of the roses. I want to believe that they are still there, being cared for and loved. Perhaps we will learn more.

Paul, I went out to investigate the thorn situation. I can confirm that this really is a "smoothie" -- no thorns/prickles that I could find aside from those at the tips.

Jeri, Dr. Peck lived in Oakland, and I am in San Francisco. I'm not far from the arboretum, though. The article cited above says he volunteered at the "Horticultural Center in Golden Gate Park," and I think they probably meant the arboretum/botanical garden there. Now I wonder if he might have planted any of his roses, including the "smoothie," in the park.

Taking another look at the East Bay Times obit (link above), it says that he was survived by his partner of 49 years. So perhaps his partner is living there with the roses. I hope so.

This has been so fascinating to me.

Sheba

That's one of the reasons Old Roses are so fascinating . . . The stories. The human stories.

Exactly, Jeri. Your stories of the found roses (and beautiful photos) totally hooked me. I am especially in love with the found "mystery" roses and thrilled to have "found" a couple of my own, right here in my neighborhood.

Sheba

My cuttings of the two old roses I've "found" in my neighborhood are looking really good, so I thought I'd share a photo. On the right is the one about which I started this thread, photos up top, and which some of you have identified as "Dr. Peck's 12th Avenue Smoothie" aka Charles Lawson, in commerce. At left is another rose I posted about here a year or two ago, and which Gregg Lowery thought was likely "California Malton." Though I don't have room for these roses . . . I'm so excited to have successful baby plants of them.

Left: Likely "California Malton" Right: Likely "Dr. Peck's 12th Avenue Smoothie"

The tiny twig in the back is another bit of "Dr. Peck's Smoothing" and seems to be rooted and sending out some foliage.

Below is the mother plant of my likely "California Malton."

It's rare (for me, anyway) to spot old roses in San Francisco, aside from Mlle. Cecile Brunner; so I'm excited to have two such interesting and beautiful roses nearby, and to have managed to propagate them, too. Thanks again to all for your help and interest!

Sheba