Challenge: Vaulted ceilings and kitchen layout!

4 years ago

Agonizing over where to put the appliances and choosing the layout that will work in this odd space.

I'm finally able to completely redo my kitchen, which has a vaulted ceiling going down into a room with a flat ceiling that is a bit higher than the lowest point (where the beam is). I really want to get this layout right.

I'm up for either a 48" range or 36" induction cooktop and a wall oven/microwave combo. No matter what, I need a hood so neither the range nor cooktop would be able to go in the island. If I go with range, I also need to put a microwave somewhere other than the island (hubby hates drawer microwaves).

-First picture is of the blank plan of the current house, which gives a better idea of the space with the vaulted ceiling going into the room where the ceiling heads back up.

-Second picture is possible layout for kitchen as well in the next photo.

Thoughts?

HUGE thanks in advance!!!

Total blank plan as the house currently is:

Possible kitchen layout:

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Patricia Colwell Consulting

4 years ago

I think you need a KD to help with this but I will put in my 2 cents . No one needs a 48” range unless they cook for 20 on a regular basis. A 36” 6 burner range will cost less to buy and for sure a lot less to vent not to mention the added noise .Inever like a hike to the pantry from the working area . IMO 48” is the min walkway infront of a fridge or range , forget the angled corner they are pretty useless spaces . What is the space to the left of the bathroom?

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K K
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4 years ago
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@Patricia Colwell Consulting Thanks so much for the great advice! I was initially going to put the pantry door on the kitchen side (to slightly lessen the hike), but it didn't seem to work as well with the layout. The space to the left of the bathroom will probably eventually be another bedroom.

How would you change the angled corner?
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I would place the entrance into the pantry off the kitchen. I would also axe the angled corner cabinet configuration. Do you really need a wet bar when the kitchen is right there? I would lose it and bump the kitchen wall back making room for cabinets on that side that can house a wet bar on the end. I would revamp the entire section from wet bar to cabinets in that center section. Can an addition window be added there for light where you have cabinets to right of bay?
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K K
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4 years ago
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@Design Interior South Greatly appreciate the response!!! I'm sure this is a stupid question, but if I get rid of the angled corner cabinet configuration, what else would go there?

I apologize, but I can't quite picture what you mean about the center section revamp (sorry it's my first time at a kitchen reno!). In case you meant moving the vaulted ceiling wall (the one to the right of the island), we were advised not to move it by our architect, which made this project layout more constraining.

A window could be added to the section right of the bay for sure, would make more light, but I'd lose some upper cabinets. I could see that being worth the trade off.
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Design Interior South
4 years ago
I didn't realize the wall couldn't be moved. Do you have your fridge inside your pantry?
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K K
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4 years ago
Just an extra full freezer in pantry for overflow (fridge with freezer will be in kitchen all the way at the bottom of left wall). I will reach out to the architect to see how much it would cost to move the wall, as he stated it was load-bearing and very expensive to move so advised against it, especially since a beam was going in to replace the wall in the middle of the kitchen.
K K
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4 years ago
@Design Interior South and @Patricia Colwell Consulting since you both mentioned getting rid of the angled corner cabinets, how do you recommend to best configure that space? Thanks!
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4 years ago
You need to hire an actual Kitchen Designer. Now. Today. Invest the $1500 in the retainer. If you won’t do that, then you’re not ready to do the project.
K K
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4 years ago
We did hire someone, but was pretty unhappy with the outcome as they weren't very responsive. After a lot of fixing we arrived at the semblance of the project in the above photos. I'm on Houzz hoping for friendly advice to prevent mistakes I might be making in this design, and really appreciate this wonderful community for the knowledge base they are able to provide a newbie like me.

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