Geeeez people, all of you are so kind, so supportive, so helpful! I am MOVED.

I dont feel that bad anymore.

Vap: hopefully I have learned this time. And will work at it leaving spaces with best estimates. Its comforting to know it happens to you guys too...Thank you!

Oh thank you damask! Never did I imagine when I started the posting that someone would actually look up where I might find these roses and in the middle of the night at that.

Although I have seen those nurseries online I have never bought anything from them as yet. I might get SM from WFF.

Did I mention how touched I am? <3

oursteelers: thank for the encouragement and reminder to stay determined and focused! Of course thats the only way to be. I will carry on and things will fall in to place! I am glad you like my choices!

Helen: Thank you for your encouragement and guidance. Yes I will be organized with an earlier time line. And you know you are so right, sometimes some thing better does come along. happy spring to you. <3

Melissa: yes, yes, yes, and yes. gardening is like life itself. I cant go in to all the details of how much I agree with you right now. Occasionally I get stressed out in the moment like last night. But gradually the garden itself and friends like all of you being there I feel very happy again. Thank you!!!!

mustbnuts: yes BRN does have JD I just found out. But not till late in the season. Thats fine though....

Your BC is gorgeous! I did not know it can get that big!! Thank you for your offer for cuttings ...I understand. I will shop around a little more. I really want this rose.

Thank you..<3

Don’t beat yourself about JD...I’ve been hunting that one for two years now. It’s been out of stock everywhere at least that long. ☹️

Hello rifis! Nice to see you again. Thank you! I think things are going to work out the way I will like them to be. Yes, I am focused and I will try to get more sleep. So glad you like JD (and the others).

I hope you and yours are well and keeping safe. Our NY NJ areas are a little crazy right now.

Lynn...thank you so much!! Yes I am becoming aware of how roses are sold during the year....I am very hopeful.

Hi Perma! I think we will be able to get JD this season! Isnt it a remarkably beautiful rose?

Great to ”see” you again, Katya! Yes, I’m glad Burl will have JD again...but unfortunately, I’m in FL & phytosanitation makes her roses very expensive for me. If there were several I wanted & they were in stock, or if I went in someone else on a purchase it might be more doable, but it’s never worked out that way for me. ☹️

Keep us posted on how your rose hunting goes! 😊

I hate to say this but I suspect Jaune Deprez, a rose to die for, won't be hardy in zone 6, NYC. Of course with global warming, who can say.

Perma-

I know the feeling! Burling was one of my "go to" suppliers, but now that I am in Texas, my list has changed. Some of the nurseries are within a few dollars difference to get roses to me, others, significantly more (I could add another roses somewhere else due to the shipping cost difference). Although I must admit, the only way I purchase from Heirloom now is if I cannot get the rose anywhere, and fear the ability to.

Katajini-

Have you tried Chamblees and Freedom Gardens (Nursery?)?

moranda: over the past few years I have been getting notices that I am 7a. And I am seeing certain plants thrive in my garden which makes me sit up and take notice. Last year some Canna popped out which some previous owner must have planted and I had never seen growing in 20 years.....SO I am venturing with JD. I will put it on a trellis close to the house....Thanks always to help stay in touch with reality!!!

Lynn: do you want to avoid HR because their prices are so high (at least to me) or because you will need phytosanitation fees on top of of the price? I have been hearing several forum members being unhappy with HR. Is there something I should know? I am just about to write FG.

Heirloom sends good roses.

Please let us know if Peter has this rose. I didn't suggest him as he generally only grows roses hardy in his Z5 garden rather than in a greenhouse. HOWEVER, one never knows so it's best to ask! Fingers crossed on this one! : ))

Katyajini-

Heirloom was one of my "go-to" nurseries when I lived out West. All of the plants I received from Heirloom were correct and thrived. Now, because I live in Texas, a lot of the roses I want can be purchased locally/in-state, or from nurseries that are closer and cost less due to shipping costs.

I placed an order with Peter at Freedom Gardens this fall. All but one Rose is doing really well. We think it was a too-hot-on-the-day-of-shipping problem. Peter is wonderful to work with, and takes great care with all his plants. 😊

Im still adjusting to the new Chamblees, and haven’t ordered from them in some time now.

l‘ll only order from HR if something’s on sale, but have always gotten great, healthy plants from them. 😀

I can't wait to get mine from him. All those from Fall 2018 did well, but I overwintered them dormant. They look GREAT so far after their first winter in the ground.

Ok, thanks, good to know that HR sends good plants. I have only bought one rose from them, long, long ago. It was The Impressionist. That was a breathtakingly beautiful rose for me. The fragrance was very unusual....does anyone how to describe that fragrance? But I dont have it anymore.

I have written to FG.....

I commiserate with you but I never plan that detailed that if one rose isn't available I can't just stick in something else. Of course it helps if you love every single one you see, lol!

I’m afraid I’m in that same camp, too, Seil...I love sooo many of them. One of the things I’m noticing as I’m establishing my garden, is that they don’t necessarily behave as described. They like to do their own thing depending on the soil, light, weather, etc. I’m moving quite a few around now that I can see what they’ll do here in my garden. 😊

I'm not the only designer of my garden. I have a collaborator, a highly creative and energetic and self-willed collaborator endowed with a marvelous sense for what's beautiful: Nature. My fellow garden designer introduces plants into the garden that I never thought of, has them grow in ways that can be quite surprising and certainly unexpected, and in general adds an awful lot to the beauty and interest of my place. It couldn't be described as tidy, but it's wonderfully full of life.

I so agree, Melissa. I have a collaborator also: my squirrels! :-D If only they'd keep my bulbs on my property.

Hello Seil! I have become a little compulsive this time around. Having seen pictures of utterly beautiful rose gardens, blending of colors, textures, heights...and pictures of member's garden...I want to give it try to make a pleasing composition....Its hard for me, I dont quite get it, it does not come easily. I have a sinking feeling it really wont turn out the way I am seeing it in my mind. For one, as Perma says, roses dont always grow as advertised so it will look different from what I imagined it would, in a not so good way. That being said gardening is just plain bliss so I am OK and mostly I do what you describe.

Then Seil, I read a discussion where you wrote that there should be food in soil even in late fall as roses go on storing large amounts of energy in there canes even as the leaves decline. I had not heard that before and it stayed with me. Lately I saw two videos: In one where large, mature roses are being moved. It is advised to not cut the top of the plant at all. The energy stored in the canes is used to grow the roots at the beginning. Then you can cut off what stems die. (Sheila does it this way too, if I remember), The second: Plants that were well fertilized into late fall and even sprayed with dilute urea were winter hardy by up to 6 degree Celsius (about 10-12 degree F). This was due the larger amount of sugars stored in the stems, as determined by sap analysis. The sugar solution prevents the water in the tissues from freezing.

I thought I would mention it as you brought it to my attention!!

Hope you are doing well.

Perma: that is my peeve too. so many say my Rose x grew like this and then someone else says rose X grew like that...it blooms once, no it repeats...its a shrub, no its a floppy climber. It makes it sooooooo hard to know where you want to put what. And then it takes several years before its true to form ...It kinda does not make sense my trying to get it just right does it. Oh well. I probably have to do some moving in the coming years too. But I have to plant them somewhere first!

Melissa, I agree with you here too....the weeds bug me hell of a lot though, they are not going to have their way with me anymore. Seriously, I think its hard for me to plan is because I want to create a flow so that it looks like those plants are naturally growing there...not a structured look at all. Hope that happens.

I totally get that, Katya; in the beginning, I was thinking only of bloom color, and planned it out that way...then I realized the plant form was really more important, and then reworked my plans. Then I got analysis paralysis, and many just sat in their pots for a season. Then the few that did get planted started growing, and I realized they were SO much happier in the ground. So I planted many more. And now I’m moving most of them, and planting the new ones. But I’m really enjoying it, and learning so much. Most of all I‘ve noticed that they have a strong drive to grow, and just want living soil to thrive in, so now it’s just stick em in the ground. 😊

The other issue is they don't all bloom at the same time even in consecutive years!

Oh, well. You learn. Katyajini, I think it's possible to have structure AND flow, It sounds like you're on a steep learning curve. After a while you start to figure things out. By the way, have you ever read Henry Mitchell on gardening? He's very entertaining, and has sound things to say on garden design.

I just found out that a rose I had ordered isn't going to be available...it was a pretty pale soft pink...so I went totally drastic and got the dark red Let Freedom Ring instead and now I am having heaps of fun replanning where I am going to put everything. But I think I enjoy the planning almost as much as the execution so it doesn't bother me to do it over.

I saw that one. You'll have to report back on its hardiness. What rose wasn't available?

perma: absolutely, they love to be in the ground. we had planned this big round of building walls, fences, trellises this spring after which I was going to plant my roses. Well thats not going to happen. Probably not till next spring. I am planting the majority of the roses I am receiving in the ground and will move them to their 'homes' next spring and summer. I think they will have grown better in the ground than in a pot by far. The digging out and replanting wont be too much for the plant..but a lot more time and work for me.

I meant to add FG does not have Jaune Desprez. This year he does not have Brother Cadfael either! Such a shame!

Shame that's a shame. Did he ever have JD?. Did he just not propagate the brother this year or did he lose his mother plant?.

I think just this year..

For JD or BC?

He said JD is not hardy for him, BC not available this year

Interesting. I didn't think JD would be hardly but it was worth a try.

Vaporvac it was Audrey Hepburn. It is a hybrid tea but I saw an article from a lady in zone 4 Idaho saying it did well for her with some winter protection so I wanted to try it. Matt said they didn't take over the winter though. I have had an order with HCR that is shipping May first and over the winter I keep calling Matt and adding to it : )

Katya, my solution to your problem is to buy so many roses that there's always an inventory of "similar" to fill in the gap until the beloved becomes available. Of course, along the line one discovers yet more "beloveds" and so it goes. This is precisely the dilemma keeping me up these nights. Where to put what and to what effect? It's like accessorizing an outfit: different jewelry or shoes completely change the look and even function of an ensemble... and that's exactly what a garden is, an ensemble. One rose can change the entire palette and feel, and while many "look" similar, their habits may differ wildly. In the end, I'm currently trying to use what I have and resist adding new for a while. It's very hard to resist new roses as evidenced by this post and others. It's taking all my willpower not to email Peter at FreedomGardens to see if he still has 'Summer Wine'.

Oh Vap thank you! I understand what you are saying completely. Keeping me up at night too. And musing all day. Consumed by it I must say. I am redoing my terribly devastated garden too so I am outside all the time. And I love it! WE will figure it out, as daunting as it may seem right now!

Katy, your title of your thread made me laugh. I am going through frustration as of yesterday bec i cannot order roses from unlimited since they are closed. I dont even know if they still carried it and not knowing is more frustrating like saying maybe . Oh, well !! It is what it is, right ? I will definitely have a huge gap in my new area :)

Patience is virtue and I keep telling that to myself all day . Laughed it out 😋

Plumeria Girl, are you saying Roses Unlimited is closed? Pat is still responding to emails and I was able to set up on order with them a few days ago.

It says on their website. Great, i can call her and cross fingers she has it. Thank you, Chris !

I must be exhausted yesterday working and silly me just read what i wanted and got side track with texting.

Calling them now :))

Yes, they are closed for visitors but their mail order business is still very much up and running.

Thanks again. I just send email :))

Phew !

That texting will get you everytime, Jin!!! Focus!!! LOL!!! : -))

I thought about this thread this past weekend...I decided to just go for it, and plant a bunch that were in pots. We’ve just had about three days of gentle rain and cooler temps, so I think the timing was good. I got all of these in the ground, and saw some bare ground I hadn’t seen in a while, where my pots are stashed, lol!

Those roses are: Ascot, Poseidon, La Petite Prince, Souvenir de la Malmaison, Old Town Navato, Ballerina, Yves Piaget, Le Vesuve, Sharifa Asma, and Milkmaid. And there’s at least that many still in pots...sheesh! But it feels great to get them tucked in. 😊