Can these roses do well again after a year of complete neglect?
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After year 3: the roses that do well for me
Comments (12)Oh my gosh, I am so touched by these responses. Well I have missed you all too! Development work is not so bad...but there's less time for other things, and when faced with a free afternoon, with a lot of lavenders to prune and plant...I'll take the garden every time. I am sure that once I get the hang of this new work, I'll start posting a lot more again. I will take photos asap too. Thing is, we had some wind "events" in early May, and the double row of red Austins (Dark Lady and Wllm Shakespeare 2000) had to be pruned very closely because of the damage to the new growth. Not much worth photographing at the moment...although some of the irises are wonderful. Carol, you are great....I will consider the forum outreach! That's great. Everyone's welcome to visit! Luanne did already. Rosefolly, thanks for the CRM recommendation. I never feel more then maladroit gardener than when it comes to Austins. My Evelyns are about 20" high, year three...and I saw this massive thing at the Descanso gardens here on Monday, must have been 7' high, and the flowers.... Bill...okay, this spring, Felicite put out a great flush for the second year in a row. It is a great rose, even here with non-winters. Mme. Plantiers did nicely too, even though the drought and stuff fried the blooms. Mme. Plantier is one of the few roses here that the scent "wafts"...amazing. Love it. Mme. Hardy gave me 3 flowers, all the rest of the growth was 'blind'...no flower buds. Maybe it doesn't get cold enough here, don't know what's the problem. I'm just going to prune her as if she bloomed this next week, following David Stone's marvelous advice. It's okay if she doesn't bloom every year, I have her in a space where the shrub is nice, and getting a flush is pure serendipitous grace. Florence, you're a bright spot too...thanks for your kindness. windeaux, Roberto Capucci is a very good plant. The flowers are enormous and the petals must be very thick, because they don't fry, and I have this in a place that gets blasted. I got it from RU, and I must say, all the plants I've gotten from them have been amazing. Randy, we also have Golden Celebration and Reine des Violettes in common...:-) Pretty soon RdV will be in my 'doing well' list. I have noticed more flushes on it each year. jbfoodie; you are going to love SdPN. It is a great great rose. I have two here, one from Vintage and the other from RU. Both are bloom machines, good for picking and have that old fashioned "Lux Soap" smell to my nose. Remember those orange octagonal bars they used to make a million years ago? Jerome...See MoreCan a rose bush reappear after two years?
Comments (10)In Rosedom anything is possible. I had an American Pillar out alongside my carport that died after a few years. In the following years new offspring of that rose reappeared out of the ground in the same general area as the American Pillar had occupied. While I have been in hospital for the past six months, just about everything out there died for want of care, but I noticed yesterday a new shoot of American Pillar has appeared once again. Some roses are just more resilient then others, and, if they are the so-called "Oldie Goldies," they will hang in there at what seems like forever. Guess this is the reason I like OGRs, they require little or no care, no spray, and no fussing from me, yet they are there year after year....See Morewhere do you go to look at roses? (rambling again)
Comments (27)I am another rose nomad. I've visited all four public rosariums in Sweden, a couple in Denmark, Sangerhausen, Mottisfont Abbey and San Jose Heritage Rose Garden and all the rose nurseries I have been near. But large rose collections can be overwhelming with the roses becoming a blur of colour where you don't notice the individual rose. But I've been inspired to get some roses from these gardens, Radiance, for instance, several Geschwind roses and a few Horvath roses. The Austin roses at the Rosen-Jensen nursery in Germany made me stay away from Austins. I didn't ask if they were newly planted and would get bigger with time but the small shrubs with oversized blooms didn't appeal to me. I am a member of the Swedish Rose Society and a big benefit is the chance to visit other members' gardens, the best way to find out how a rose does in my climate. Sweden is roughly the size of California so sometimes we have to travel some distance but we pack in as many people as possible in each car or hire a minibus. Last summer 10 members hired a boat to get to an island in the Baltic where a member grows 400 roses in very thin soil over rock and with constant winds. My new Valdemar climber is a souvenir from that trip....See MoreNeglected [Tea] Roses, 1887
Comments (29)Anyway, getting back to the point of this thread.......... When I see old references mentioning roses that are no longer "with us", I wonder if it's necessarily a bad thing. Yes, it's a "bad thing", in my opinion, when roses are gone simply because fashions changed, despite being good garden plants. But even now, many similar roses are released, perhaps attempting to latch onto the popularity of the first of that type to be introduced. Over time, gardeners declare which are the better garden plants of that group, and discard the rest. As an example, think of all the HTs and Grandifloras chasing "blue" -- in shades of silvery lavender through purple. If we were to list every individual of this "color genre" introduced, surely we'd find some that were not so hot in the garden, and also offered nothing novel compared to their peers. Many have ancestry in common, so it's not even a case of an entire line going extinct if one is outperformed by another. Let's say 100 years from now someone comes across references of a popular lavender HT named for a beloved singer/actress of her time. The reader is intrigued, and searches for this cultivar, only to discover it is now extinct. "Oh, how sad....to have lost a beautiful rose named for Barbara Streisand." Other lavender HTs survived to this future date, but 'Barbara Streisand' wasn't one of them. Was it because it was more dependent upon fungicides? Was it because others of its genre eventually outclassed it? Or was it because, as a whole, the lavender HTs went out of style, and only a handful of the best survived? There will be those future-people bemoaning us living now for not saving this rose. Of course, nostalgia has an effect of minimizing faults. Despite other lavender HTs surviving to 100 years from now, rose lovers of the future will mourn for those which haven't. This is completely different, however, from an entire class of roses dropping from favor simply because of a fashion for something different, especially when roses of that class were once highly praised for their garden performance. To me, it's a bit sad to read of distinctive old roses that are gone, but many I read about were just subtle variations from roses that did survive to today. When 'Park's Yellow Tea-Scented China' first came to Europe, it was a novelty. Over time, other yellow Teas emerged, many simply "seedling of..." others already introduced. There is a historical loss with 'Park's Yellow', for sure....but I think losing some of the others wasn't as critical -- especially when healthier yellow Teas survived. Or, in another area, how many "...seedling of 'La Reine'"-type roses must be preserved, when so many are so similar, the main differences being their health in the garden? One more thing to keep in mind -- for every rose introduced, many other seedlings were culled. For all those seeds germinated, many others were discarded. For every hip ripened, many others were dead-headed. Selection occurred -- and continues to occur -- at many levels beyond just the nursery deciding what to carry. :-) ~Christopher...See MoreArtist-FKA-Novice Zone 7B GA
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