Red cabbage was disappointing
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Comments (31)Hi Prairie_north: Very pretty bloom on your mini-rose. Thank you for the l info. that cracked corn changed from pink (acidic) to purple (neutral) fast. I'm happy with cracked corn in the planting hole (did that last year), so is Momscottagegarden (clay soil). I like what you wrote: "The bed around it was originally amended with peat moss, and has cedar shavings on top. Today I pushed the shavings away, dug up the soil around it, put down some sheep manure, and red lava rock." Peat moss mixed with clay becomes hardened a year later. Cedar shavings is acidic (pH 4) that would leak acid down when it rains (pH of rain is 5.6). Since mini-rose is own-root, the roots are nearer the surface, and is sensitive to acid leaching down. Own-roots do best with organic fertilizer, since it's nearer the surface ... some are wimpy like alfalfa sprouts, versus big-woody-bush-trunk Dr. Huey. Red lava rock is a strong buffer at pH 8. I mulched roses with that during our wet months .. kept roses clean. Blooming takes up lots of potassium & calcium to make those firm petals. After blooming, potassium and calcium are both depleted, plus rain leaches out potassium & calcium & trace elements. Red-lava rock in the planting hole, plus on top provide a continuous supply of potassium to prevent diseases, plus more blooms. Calcium is a strong buffer: I use that in many ways: as granular gypsum (calcium sulfate) to break up clay. If it rains a lot, I put gypsum on top of red-lava-rock. But for Dr. Huey-rootstock, I put dolomitic lime on top, since Dr. Huey likes it alkaline. Best ratio in hydroponics setting is equal nitrogen to potassium, 1/2 phosphorus, and 1/2 calcium. I burnt a few own-roots with either salty manure in hot weather, or high-phosphorus fertilizer like bone meal. My best result in hot weather is alfalfa hay for nitrogen. Timothy hay is much softer, easier to mulch .. that's what I plan to test next. I got amazing result mulching with alfalfa hay in hot weather, best nitrogen-source ever, which beat anything I tested: blood meal, compost, Milorganite, alfalfa pellets, alfalfa meal, corn meal. The problem with alfalfa in smaller particles: they gunk up on top, either souring, or hardening clay further. Alfalfa hay is fluffy, which cools and shade the roots in hot sun, plus it's a strong buffer: neutralize both acidic rain, and alkaline tap water....See MoreRed Cabbage Taste
Comments (4)It's likely not a frost issue because that usually brings out more sugars, not less. I think it's a combination of variety, soil conditions and possibly because it's been sitting in cold storage for awhile. If you buy it at the farmers market again, ask the vendor when it was harvested....See MoreSaving Red Cabbage Juice?
Comments (3)Hi prairie_north: Good question. I left red-cabbage-juice in my refrigerator for 1 week, and it stank like sauerkraut ... didn't work after that. Freezing it right away is best. It's known that frozen veggies, frozen right after picking ... retain their nutrients better than "fresh" veggies that sit for weeks in store. From the soil-chemistry test I took with 83 questions: loamy soil is best for root-growth. Loamy soil is a mix of sand & clay, plus organic matter. From Wikipedia: "Loam is soil composed mostly of sand and silt, and a smaller amount of clay (about 40%-40%-20% concentration)" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loam The fluffier, the better root growth. Root growth is best with 10 to 15% oxygen, so when I put COARSE organic matter like alfalfa hay, or grass cuttings, it works better than peat-moss ... large particle fluffs up soil best. I got a bumper crop on my tomatoes when I fluffed up FRESH grass clippings into clay in June. Coarse sand is needed for long-term separation of clay, since it doesn't break down and glue up with clay like organic matter. Roses like well-drained and loamy soil. Heavy clay is fertile, but it needs to be fluffed up with coarse sand or LARGE organic matter. I find that humus, compost, or well-rotted manure is good to enrich clay in the planting hole. In heavy clay, the high magnesium binds up with phosphorus and potassium, thus less blooms. Mixing in well-rotted manure will supply those nutrients. My bumper crop of tomatoes was when I mixed fluffy-cow-manure (NOT limed) with clay. That manure stank, but its phosphorus & potassium gave me a bumper crop. I also used bagged-limed-cow-manure (high pH of 8) to mix in the planting hole, it took tons of acidic rain to neutralize that to produce the best bloom for Golden Celebration rose. Now I use cracked-corn (pH 4) along with alkaline bagged manure, so those 2 opposing pH neutralize each other, when mixed with clay. For hard water, using SOLUBLE GYPSUM will lower the pH to rain water. I sprinkle less than 1 tablespoon of SOLUBLE gypsum per rose bush, and water that in with a hose. A bit of gypsum, only 8% in salt-index, helps to enhance the uptake of nitrogen, phosphorus & potassium, plus releasing the calcium bound-up in hard-water. I learn NOT to use any granular fertilizer when the temp is over 80 & less rain .. own-root roses are most sensitive to fertilizer-burn. SOLUBLE gypsum is safe in hot weather, if diluted well with water. Calcium, be it Azomite (pH 8), or gypsum (pH 6.8) helps plants to cope with heat in summer. Here's a good reference for organic fertilizers: http://www.noahhealth.org/top-10-natural-organic-fertilizers/#crom...See MoreLooking for a climber the color of red onion/cabbage
Comments (8)Vaporvac, I planted MW this fall and am excited to see how it does. Most of the Austins I have did put out those long octopus canes in their first year or two so it wouldn't surprise me if MW behaves the same way. My Queen of Sweden has two canes over six feet tall at the moment. I need MW to stay short in the place where I have it, though, so any canes like that are going to get pruned back. For the spot where I'm looking for red cabbage color, I decided to go with Reine des Violette. This is a shaded area with acidic soil so I hope to get those purply hues. To be safe, I am also planting Darcey Bussell and Ebb Tide in the same bed, hoping the overall color scheme works together and achieves the effect I'm after....See More- 6 years ago
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