Bourbon and Hybrid Perpetuals with good repeat bloom?
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Comments (7)Hi Aimee! Nice to see you've been able to pry yourself away from the cribs! Do your sprinklers hit the flowers on those roses? If not yours, are there any on the HOA common areas around your back yard which might be blowing in over or through the back fence which might hit them? I have several friends with that issue. THEIR sprinklers are adjusted not to hit the tops of the roses, but the HOA rainbirds on the common areas over shoot and drench their roses, causing all sorts of issues. High heat and scalding sun can fry those soft petals. Dews and cool, damper temps can also cause balling. I doubt fertilizing them, or not, is going to result in any improvement because the soft petal tissues will still react to both damp/wet and searing heat and sun the same way. I replaced most of the HPs and Bourbons in the old Newhall garden, not that many miles from where you live, because in that climate they just didn't perform well. When there were flowers, they didn't stand up to the severe conditions, and when all the more modern roses were exploding, most of those just sat there. I was in Old Orchard, Valencia today. Souv. de la Malmaison's blooms were all balled. The sprinklers do not hit them and I am the only one who uses a hose anywhere near it. Souv. de St. Anne's across the path from it were all fine. Yves Piaget's flowers, right beside Malmaison, were fine. Larry Daniels' flowers just on the other side of Yves, were all fine. There are just too many, too thin, wispy, tender petals to endure the sun and heat intensity this time of year. Kim...See MoreHelp me choose Bourbons and Hybrid Perpetuals
Comments (23)Jeri, Thanks for the feedback; I was hoping you'd write in. You must have posted your first message right when I began to write mine, and so I missed it. As to growing conditions, we have more winter chill and perhaps more summer heat than you, fog not too often during the growing season, heavy soil and perhaps not as alkaline as what you describe. It's significant that rust is practically unknown here, and blackspot isn't a major problem (though I don't like it when it shows up). Actually, when I'm not worrying about drought, landslides, (earthquakes,) and the economic policies of the Italian government, I'm inclined to think that we have a perfect environment for growing roses. (I'm beginning to think this country needs a revolution, AND all its politicians struck down by lightning from heaven: it seems the only way to get rid of them.) 'Gloire des Rosomanes' is probably available in Europe, but I don't believe is common in Italy: I don't remember ever seeing it offered for sale in this country, and no one I know has it. You bet I would like to have it. I seem to recall reading that it's confused in commerce with 'Nur Mahal', in Europe I believe. Taoseeker, Aha! Several years ago I too ordered 'Comte de Chambord', 'Mme. Boll', and 'Mme. Knorr' (from Schultheis in Germany) and ended up with what looked like three identical roses...a wonderful one, to be sure. Like you I'm wondering if there's a unique 'Mme. Knorr' in commerce. I have a fourth plant arrived from who knows where, that looks like these three, but I need to re-compare them all carefully to see whether there are differences. Thanks for reminding me of the dark Hybrid Perpetuals, a group I have no personal experience with, but consider worth looking into. I don't think 'Fantin-Latour' has much Centifolia about it either; I think it falls into the category of what Vintage calls Hybrid Bourbons. It's a wonderful rose, fragrant, vigorous, and healthy, and a pleasure just to handle. The Centifolias and Mosses generally do well for me, but I have easy conditions. With leggy plants sometimes I do have to prune harder: 'La Noblesse' is a good example, and I think I'll have to cut back 'Shailer's White Moss' more than I have in the past. This last rose, so beautiful, is showing bits of pink on a lot of its flowers this year. Suzy, after losing two purchased grafted plants of 'Hebe's Lip' (herbicide and mowing), I got cuttings in a swap and now have three plants of it growing around the property. They're young but growing fine and I'm looking forward to seeing them in their maturity. 'Coupe d'Hebe' is duly noted. Jaxondel, Okay, 'Marquis de Balbiano'; I'll keep it in mind. This is a great discussion. Melissa...See Morehybrid perpetuals in 6b
Comments (13)I have two HPs, Barone Prevost and Frau Karl Druschki and these two are persuading me to try more HPs. Both are on their own roots and live on the west side of the property. No morning sun. I feed an organic fertilizer about twice a season and the soil is more damp where they are than in other parts of the property. They do have a tendency toward blackspot, probably because of the moisture in the soil so I do have to spray. They are both very different. Barone Provest is close to 10 ft. tall now and almost as wide, blooms very heavily in the spring and almost constantly thereafter with not so heavy clusters. This rose is so bushy and heavy I need to keep it staked with a 30" rebar to keep the wind from uprooting it in the soft soil. Frau Karl Druschki is also close to 10 ft. tall and almost as wide. It is a much airier bush, not nearly as bushy and often has it's first flush devestated by thrips. Once I get the thrips under control (usually not until the flush is destroyed), it blooms continously and nicely. FKD also suffers more from winter kill than the BP. Both need extensive spring pruning, FDK from winter kill and BP from just being a monster and needing thinned out. I think the blooms hold better in a vase than the Barone too. FKD holds a special place for me, as it was the first "antique" rose I acquired, being mislabled as the tiny polyantha "Anne Marie de Montravel". I was just getting into roses at the time and surely didn't know any better. But I became aware that the rose was mislabled when it continued to grow and got these plate sized flowers on it. I now have both in my garden. There is a tiny difference between the two. AMDM is about 2' high with about the same spread, the blooms resemble the miniature Popcorn but looser and more flouncy. It's one of the most disease resistant and strongest roses (for it's size) in my garden and is never without a full head of flowers. I always look at the HPs thinking I want to get a couple more but in the end, seem to have more room for the polys. But then again, some of them get almost as big in my garden....See MoreI don't like Hybrid Perpetuals
Comments (26)Jin, Of my DAs that have bloomed: I can smell Abraham Darby (moderately strong fruity), Heritage (moderately sweet), James Galway (lightly sweet), Gertrude Jeckyll (moderate old rose, definitely not strong) and Tess (faint old rose). Except for Abraham, none of the scents are as strong as what the catalog suggests. Here I am screwed. Abraham was my first DA, I got him 20 years ago, and I thought they would all be as highly fragranced as him! Nope! My other roses that smell are Alice Hamilton (light fruit), Maggie (damask), Louis Phillipe (cherry candy), Granny Grimmets (damask), Barbara's Pasture Rose (damask), Baretta St. Bourbon (musk but is supposed to have damask scent), Solfaterre (fruity tea), Lafter (fruit), Blush Noisette (musk), Cecile Brunner (mild apple), Marie Pavie (light fruity musk. wafts), Clothilde Soupert Cl., Devoniensis, Mel's Heritage (apple), La Reine (damask, my favorite smell!), and Mme. Antione Rebe. Belinda's Dream as a faint smell sometimes, but not always. A bunch the ones that are supposed to have scent don't. Maybe in the Fall? I am not sure. It probably has something to do with growing conditions and the weather, maybe even the maturity of the plant. It's difficult for me to describe the tea scent, but when it is there, it is lovely. Not swooningly lovely, but lovely nonetheless. Not all of my teas have it, and even some days the same bush will have it one day and not the next....See More- 4 years ago
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