thanks. here you go let me know if this is better!

Is this for a kosher kitchen? I'm not seeing much storage on the dairy side for pots and pans.

And your oven is far from your cooking areas and doesn't seem to have a landing spot next to it.

yes it is for kosher kitchen. agree on the pots and pan storage but not sure there is an easy solution given the space. as for the oven - I agree that is big weakness in the design ... one though I had was to swap the fridge freezer and pantry/oven - though that would make the cold section a bit far from sink and also landing still an issue.

Any reason not to bump your kitchen in so that you have a true L in the bottom right corner and lose the island? It's small and your aisles look narrow.

interesting concept though I feel that would shrink the kitchen.

What's going on right now in the bottom right where there's only one pantry to the side? And what are the dimensions between the island and the dairy section? Note that on the other side of the island, if it's 42" cabinet to cabinet, you have less once the counters are taken into account. And getting around the fridge when the door is open will be close to impossible.

I'd look into a kosher kitchen designer since they'll have better suggestions.

it's 42 on each side less I assume around an inch of overhang on the countertops.

I though since the fridge opens fully one could get around it unless someone has it opened at just 90 degrees.

on the pantry side you've got a radiator next to it.

also there is a door next to the wall ovens to get into a small pantry closet. that is not clearly shown.

I agree about getting rid of the island in this case and having a separate L for dairy and a separate L for meat. Seems your dairy side is getting short shrift.

What is in the lower right between pantry and oven?

Are you getting rid of the door to the outside from the kitchen? If so I'd prefer your fridge/freezer next to the sink since we take food out of our fridge, move it to the sink to wash and then prep between sink and cooktop.

Instead of a fixed island, i'd put in a moveable cart.

I have an idea I'll play with in the morning. It will put your dairy sink/prep closer to your cooktop and put your oven where it will have landing space.

Can the radiator be moved?

radiator yes - just don't know where it would go. thanks for other comments looking forward to your suggestion.

one other point is that the the cooktop will likely be a range so will have an oven over there. the wall ovens are kind of auxiliary.

door being closed up yes. 12 foot glass wall with 6 foot sliders going in dining area.

Is this a remodel or new construction?

also there's a lot of plumbing behind that dairy wall and it is a support wall. can't really be moved. so pushing the dairy cabinets forward into room would kill around 20" of space.

it is a remodel.

Will the auxiliary ovens be used only for dairy? Or for both?

also there's a lot of plumbing behind that dairy wall and it is a support wall. can't really be moved. so pushing the dairy cabinets forward into room would kill around 20" of space.

Can the plumbing be moved easily? If you have a basement, then yes but if you're on a slab it's a bit harder. Will only a 21" sink work for the dairy side?

I have no intention of moving any of the walls as I think you have good space to work in.

(LOL because I'm trying to recall back almost 60 years how my grandmother kept everything separate for meat and dairy in her tiny kitchen!)

Could the bumped out section be extended (red oval)? I realize that you want the dairy sink there due to existing plumbing, but if you could move the dairy prep area to a peninsula, and move the freezer to the pantry wall, would this work?

The MW would be in an upper cabinet between the large fridge and wall oven, with storage for dairy pots/pans below. Dishes for dairy could be stored in the uppers on the range wall. There is a base cabinet which opens under the seating overhang, to use the space in the corner.

mama goose. cool stuff. got me doing some thinking. some limitations we have though. we are working with used cabinets we purchased second hand. I am attaching some pics of the kitchen as it was previously installed elsewhere. as you can see we have two different color cabinets. the general idea was to make the dairy wall in blue and this was sort of an accent wall on the way to the eating area. it doesn't have to be this way but that was the general thinking. we are converting the trash pullout cabinet into a sink and we're going to paint this blue to match the other blue Cabinets.

some additional pics

and here is the original layout with dimensions of all the cabinets.

cpartist - 21 for dairy will have to do since thats what we have in terms of cabinets. not sure how one would have a separate L for the diary without bumping in that 'blue dairy' wall with the small sink or losing the space behind it. as for moving the plumbing we could do that for 54" of that 84" wall but all the way at the end is a wastepipe which can't be moved.

cpartist- wall ovens are for both meat and dairy.

where is the waste pipe?

right behind the 21" sink

Here is my idea.

In actuality also with the extra pantry space on the right you could probably divided the pantry into 2 and make the one towards the top for meat, and the one towards the bottom for dairy and then give yourself extra drawer storage where I indicated the pantry on the left. Or even move the microwave to that area by switching the oven to the end of the counter run.

Add a moveable island for the middle for extra helpers.

Now your oven is accessible to both sinks and the fridges are nearer each sink as needed.

Love cpartist's suggestions. Two more suggestions - (1) thoughts on widening the pantry to make it walk in from the fridge side? That would give you more storage. (2) why the second fridge? If really needed, is there a garage or basement to put it? I think you'll miss the lack of cabinets more than the immediacy of having things in a second fridge

Love cpartist's suggestions.

Thank you.

Two more suggestions - (1) thoughts on widening the pantry to make it walk in from the fridge side? That would give you more storage.

That could work as long as there was a way to separate dairy from meat products as this is a Kosher kitchen.

(2) why the second fridge? If really needed, is there a garage or basement to put it? I think you'll miss the lack of cabinets more than the immediacy of having things in a second fridge

The second fridge is because in a Kosher kitchen meat must be completely separated from dairy. It's also why the OP will have 2 sinks and 2 dishwashers.

the second fridge is because it came with the cabinets. it is an undercounter beverage fridge.

I think you'll miss the storage more than you'll appreciate the undercounter beverage fridge. It's a great place to keep your dairy pots and pans since I'm not sure where you're planning on putting them in your current plan. It looks like in cpartist's plan, the only storage space there (aside from uppers) would be one drawer underneath the microwave.

In kosher kitchens, the utensils and cookware need to be different and not mixed, which is why separate storage areas are preferable (and separate sinks make life easier). But food stuffs can share the same refrigerator and pantry space - they just can't be cooked / mixed together.

I thought I'd add some context by posting pics of the actual room! hope this helps. thanks for the comments thus far!

cpartist - because the wall bumps in where you've placed the fridge near the entrance to the dining area it won't fit properly there unfortunately. but good suggestion otherwise.

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How wide is that opening right now? It looks like you can make it narrower and still have plenty of room to move from room to room.

I thought the extra fridge was to keep extra foodstuff. If not, then I agree the beverage fridge isn't as necessary as the storage is.

we would like to keep as wide an opening as possible to keep an open feeling!

any thoughts on swapping the fridge/freezer with the large pantry and wall ovens to make a separate cooking zone all.in one spot and a cold zone? wasn't sure if this would make fridge too far from meat sink and then there is the issue with the landing.