"Cardboard" roses. Can you believe I want more?
I've been solely devoted to fragrant roses, primarily Austin roses, and wouldn't consider anything else. But the flowers of these roses tend to have a very short life span, a day or two in my hot dry garden. They get fried in the hot sun. An incidental situation may make me change my mind on these fragrant roses. My DH gave me a bouquet of red roses for Valentines day, named 'Freedom'. They were bright red (not in my garden's color scheme), and nearly scentless. Of course I had to try to root a stem, and it was successful. This summer it grew vigorously. In the last few weeks of temps in the mid 90's and humidity of 10-20%, it is blooming. The flowers open very slowly over a period of days rather than hours. Petals are impressively durable, like cardboard. There is a mild sweet fragrance (surprisingly delightful) which wasn't detectable in the bouquet. There is no sign of damage from the heat, no damage from thrips. The first flower lasted 2 WEEKS before fading. I'm impressed! It's quite satisfying to grow this "cardboard rose" perhaps even more so than what I've been growing.
Here it is after 3-4 days of temps in the mid 90's. Still s-l-o-w-l-y opening.
So now I'm wondering if there are any other "cardboard" roses that I can grow that are like this? Any ideas? Pink or white is preferred.
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Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
4 years agolast modified: 4 years agoYes I have one it is called Whirlaway I got it this Spring and the blooms are white and I guess you would call it a cardboard rose because the blooms have lasted thus far 10 days and still look fabulous
Unfortunately there is no fragrance to be had it is qualified is a many rows but it is supposed to get quite large and the blooms right now probably close to 4"
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4 years agolast modified: 4 years agoNose,
I share your sentiments. The main reason I don’t care for Austins is they shatter too fast. You pamper them for 45+ days for a bloom cycle, and a bloom shatters in 2-3 days. I love a super fragrant rose, but I also value a super long lasting one.
St Patrick, Veterans Honor, Moonstone are my longest lasting, most heat resistant blooms...they behave very much like your ‘cardboard’ Freedom rose, which I find very beautiful. I’d say they last 4x as long as the average Austin, 10-14 days in a vase
Moonstone
St Patrick
Veterans HonorThere’s amother group that I value the highest, the most intensely fragrant roses that also have decent, though not ‘cardboard’ lasting quality. I put Neil Diamond, Fragrant Cloud, Double Delight, Firefighter, Beverly ,Lavender Crush , Just Joey and Life of the Party in this group. They last at least 2x as long as the average Austin, and are consistently and supremely fragrant. And if you are stuck on the English look, Evelyn is by far my longest lasting Austin, and smells very nice as well.
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4 years agolast modified: 4 years agoNoseometer,
The rose that is everyone’s neighbor is Eden. She‘s everyone’s neighbor because she is just so monstrously big. She does last well, but doesn’t repeat well. Perhaps repeat might be better with your cool nights?
Eden
Not sure if you’ll like Life of the Party, but it’s an excellent hot weather rose, and I’m trying to decide if it’s the most fragrant of all the roses
Do you have Bolero or Julia Child? They are both somewhat Austin like, very fragrant, excellent hot weather roses.I find the name Summer Romance to be ironic, since it never produces blooms in the summer for me, I don’t find bloomless thorny bushes to be romantic.
Aloha has never been fragrant for me, though others say it is very good.
How about Pearly Gates, the light pink sport of America?
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4 years agoEveryone’s Roses look amazing. The two pictured here will last for days for me, and they’re both very fragrant. Unfortunately English Perfume must have been a little too tender to survive here.
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