Distant Drums with small but good looking blooms

Life of the Part blooming for the first time ever...

Margo Koster still totally adorable...

Twilight Zone

Felicia

South Africa

Wow! So pretty!

What's your location?

I'm in the intermountain west..its semi arid but the 5,000 ft altitude makes the sun so intense it's even more drying. I'm surprised any roses are blooming right now at all.

They look good pippacovalent!

Very nice young roses! When it gets to 100 in your area, how cool are the nights? I think nighttime temps also play a big role in summer bloom quality.

I’ve seen Margo in inland CA where daytime temps get over 100 easily, sometimes in rather poorly maintained gardens, she is a real trooper. Life of the Party has been a great 1st year rose for me, lots of new blooms and a truly exceptional fragrance.

That's amazing. Looks like there is significant heat induced color changes, but so many flowers and nothing looking crispy. At your suggestion, I'm watering more, and getting a lot more growth and flowers, although the flowers only last a day or two before getting crispy. It's been in the mid 90's here.

Marie Pavie

Bishop's Castle

Evelyn

Huntington Rose

Abraham Darby

Sonia Rykiel

Superb photos pippacovalent!

They all look great! Helen

BenT that's a good point...the lows have been around 60 so night temps definitely are cooler.

Noseometer those look amazing!!

Yes noseometer there are definitely color changes from the heat and size changes...noticeably smaller blooms, but I'm impressed anything is blooming especially the new babies. All my plants have been troopers though...my snapdragons who hate the heat are still blooming well even. I think it's a combo of lots of mulch with drip under the mulch and the cooler nights.

Amazzzing that do that well in such intense heat! I think you're a good rose mom! : ))

My photos only look okay because they were taken in the morning before the sun hit them. Pippa, are you having sunny heat or cloudy heat?

No clouds just high altitude intense sun. I have them on drip and most of the yard is a drip line but I built a ring of emitters for each rose so they get about 10 gallons per hour and when its 100 I've been watering about every other day for 30 min and if its it's not so hot twice a week.

And it's well mulched over the drippers so that seals in the water a bit.

Pippa, would you please share your drip system set up pics especially the ring of emitters for each rose? Thx. Helen

Pippa, just thought I'd mention that you can post ten photos in a follow-up to the initial posting, less work that way than posting each one separately. I really like Distant Drums and Twilight Zone and am happy to see they do so well in the heat. Plum Perfect and Bishop's Castle are holding up well here.

I initially thought 10 gallons per hour, man...that is a lot of water!! My Las Vegas roses did not use that much and it would hit 120 degrees+ a few days during July. I am guessing that a couple of thousand feet increase in elevation make more of a difference than I ever imagined. Your ring idea seems to be a more developed version of placing multiple drip lines with emitters around the root zone. In Las Vegas, the goal was very slow and steady for longer to get more water down so the rose roots would have to go downward for the water versus anywhere near the surface. It leads to deeper-rooted roses that could withstand more environmental challenges. You have definitely discovered what it takes to make roses in your growing conditions happy, Pippa. I have enjoyed looking at all of your beautiful roses!

Thanks Ingrid I never knew the number...sometimes it seems to work better than others and other times I don't dare try more than one lol!

Yes 10 gallons seems like a lot but when it runs 30 min that's just 5 gallons and the altitude really makes it dry here so it seems like the right amount for them. I have to put on hand lotion every time I wash my hands it's so dry lol!

Bay area girl yes I'll take some pics soon. Basically I run a quarter inch tube up to a rose. The next part I have preassembled and just attach and wrap around.. I use 4, 7 inch lengths of quarter inch tube and in between each of them including on the end I attach to the main tube, I have inline dripper that are 2gph emitters. On the end I put aa normal 2gph button dripper so in total there are 4 in line emitters and a button emitter and each is 2gph. I wrap it around in a circle that I leave open so I can adjust as the rose grows.

Does this help?

Each short length of tube between emitters is about 7 inches long. Each rose gets one of these which is connected to the drip manifolds or half inch main tubing depending on where it is. So it totals 10 gph for each rose but I dont run them an hour so they get less than that and I aim for twice a week except when in the 100s I do more often. My roses are all babies so I think when they are older I may not need to increase the frequency on hotter days.

Beautiful blooms, I like the companion flowers with Felicia.

Pippa, thank you for the drawings. It's very helpful in explaining your set up.

Which brand is your drip system to give you parts for that set up? If you have time, would you please take some pics of your current set up in your garden so I can learn how it is done? I really appreciate it.

I'm currently use DripWords "Rose & Shrub Irrigation Kit" and there's only 1 emitter for each rose. The problem is 1 emitter only waters about one side of the rose so the other side won't get any water. I was thinking maybe setting up 2 emitters for each roses to cover both sides of the rose. However, your method is perfect. If you give me the name of your drip system brand, I'll copy your set up :) Thanks. Helen

I use individual components I buy from Drip Depot online. I buy their 1/4 inch tubing, packs of the inline emitters and the button emitters then just build the rings ahead of time then I can quickly stick them onto the end of the tubing that I run to each rose. For the rest of my non rose or shrub plantings I typically use their tubing that has 1/2 gph emitters built in every 6 inches and just run that all over then I have mulch over everything.

https://www.dripdepot.com/item/tempo-inline-dripper-flow-rate-2-0-gph

Helen these are the inline drippers I use...then there are a variety of the button dripper that go on the end that you can choose...they also have these Tempo inline drippers in 1 gph or 0.5 gph if you want less but I use 2 gph cause I like more water less often so I water deeply with a lot of water but try for twice a week only. I think the fact that you can mulch over these helps too whereas with the mini sprinkler/shrubbler style it's harder to have them under mulch.

This is exactly what I’m looking for. Thank you pippa. I went to their website earlier but didn’t know which parts to order :) Helen

That's almost exactly the same way I set up my drip! I only had 1/2 gph emitters running for 15 minutes, so not nearly enough water as compared to yours. I changed a lot of it to mini-sprinklers because my sandy soil didn't distribute well from the slow drip. Thanks for showing your system!

Bayarea_girl :

Home Depot sells the vast majority of these products. You could take Pippa's diagram, and pic of your set-up to the store, where a rep should be able to help you find what you need...

Thanks Lynn.

Now I'm thinking whether I should install another shrubbler for the current set up so I will have 2 shrubblers, one on each side of a rose or using 4 inline emitters and 1 button emitter like pippa's?

I think with the current bed which already has one shrubbler per rose setup, I'll go with method 1 and install another shrubbler on the other side for each rose. For the new bed, I'll use pippa's method of using 4 inline emitters and 1 button emitter.

Everyone who has a lot of experience with setting up drip systems, please feel free to comments. I have learned a lot from everyone.

pippa's, thank you for sharing DripDepot info. I compared the price for the parts I need (same brand) between DripWorks and DripDepot and DripDepot's price is better and they offer free shipping for $49+ purchase. Last time I ordered from DripWorks, they charged $29 shipping for $370 purchase. Helen

Helen I've been very happy with Drip Depot and I've ordered tons and tons of times from them. I have miles of drip set up at this point. Their prices for me are far cheaper than Home Depot or Lowes and it's easy to find what I want. They also send candy in the orders LOL.

Just wanted to add that I buy the mini sprinklers (‘shrubbers’ in Helen’s pic), super cheap from Amazon...50 for $8.50, free prime shipping. I’ve bought several times form this same seller and they work very well.

OrangeTag Chanew 50 Pcs 360 Degree Adjustable Wate Flow Irrigation Drippers on Stake Em. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MAH52KO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_OGJmDb8P8VAFW

Pippa, if their price is even cheaper than Home Depot and Lowes, I'm all for it. When I ordered roses recently from rose vendors such has Rose Unlimited, Rogue Valley Roses, HeirloomRooses... and see the care they put in packaging the roses I said I can feel the love that they put in the roses they sent to me. Now, Drip Depot even sends candy in the order, that's is so sweet :) Helen

Bayarea_girl:

Not all of these products are created equal. We often picked replacement items up from HD out of convenience, but even there, certain products were preferred. Fortunately, you do not garden in a place where two - three days without water could kill a garden full of plants during July. This was the case in Las Vegas. Via trial and error, you will determine what works best for your garden in terms of set-up and products.

Lynn, you are right, not all products are created equals. As consumers, we need to do a bit of homework to get the best for our money.

The part I need to order more is Antelco Pressure Compensating Shrubbler which is offered at both DripWorks and DripDepot.

At DripWorks, it's $0.99/each, sold in 100 pack.

At DripDepot, the same brand part is $0.79/each if you order 10+. I don't think DripWorks offered free shipping while DripDepot offers free shipping for $49+ purchase.

Drip Depot also has a store front on Amazon but because of Amazon overhead, they sell the same part for $1.29/each, sold in 10 pack with free shipping.

For my case, I'll order directly from DripDepot and will make sure to order more than $49 to get the free shipping deal.

Because of your environment, I guess you have a lot of experience with drip systems. Did you also do the same same drip system set up like pippa's or use multiple shrubblers for each rose? At Home Depot, there have different brands for drip systems, which brands offer good quality parts?

I'm still new at setting up drip system so I apologize if it feels like I'm asking too many questions. I hope other newbies like me can learn from reading the answers. Thanks. Helen

To clarify regarding my lack of specificity -

In Las Vegas, the best value was secondary. When temps could reach 120+, best quality became of primary importance (and these products are NOT created equally). When you garden with environmental extremes (2nd hottest temps for a major city, and the driest major city in the nation) it guides one's priorities. In the course of gardening there, I became an expert not only in terms of irrigation but also growing many things in that kind of climate. I think that is why I have not offered advice for you regarding set-up, or specific products. A lot of what I did would work, but some of it would likely be unnecessary in your climate. There are products that I do not like because they had a higher than average failure rate... etc., but again, different conditions. Sourcing is secondary...

Lynn, since Pippa started a topic in high temperature, any knowledge to help deal with the hot temperature will be treasured by many.

With your knowledge, please feel free to offer any things you want to share. If it's for extreme cases, just mention it's for extreme situations, and those who live in less harsh climate won't copy it or some may do it just because they want the best of everything, LOL. Helen

I guess my point is Las Vegas hot, IS different from the vast majority of places in the country; CA included. The sheer number of days in triple digits, overnight lows that sometimes do not dip below triple digits, and dryness make it and a place like Phoenix, for example, unique. I am a CA native, began gardening in Coastal CA, helped my sister with her garden in inland, CA, then moved to Las Vegas, PA briefly, and now Texas. Las Vegas' super-hot desert protocols, and what I learned after gardening there on drip irrigation for over 18 years is different... If someone in those conditions was asking, given time to, I would provide information learned, at length, from the irrigation box to fertilization (which can all be tied to the drip system) and on...

Lynn, thank you for sharing your knowledge. Helen

For your situation, Helen, I did... quality matters...anything else would require a more extensive, and likely highly irrelevant series of posts... There are so many factors... and what I might regard as garbage, problematic or inadequate could be completely fine someplace else...