'Eugene de Beauharnais' ?("Le Grande Capitaine"?)?
jerijen
4 years ago
The sun is blazing away today. I'm surprised I could get this!
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
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Comments (14)Oh, I've never regretted owning a rose, but there are many in which I've felt disappointment. Souv. de la Malmaison, for instance -- The ideal Queen Of Beauty? A wimpy pile of mildew-laced foliage studded by blooms with the texture and color of old, wet Kleenex. NOT that it isn't great SOMEWHERE. It's just that it is so far from great HERE that it's pitiful. Variagata di Bologna. HUGE MASSIVE VIGOROUS PLANT!! No blooms. !Que lastima! Touch of Class -- A gawky upright plant with a bare bottom, and leaves and blooms consistently disfigured by mildew. Old Blush -- a wonderful, long-lived China rose of great historical value, which mildews year 'round in my climate. (And yes. I've seen her in TX. I KNOW what she can do. She doesn't do it HERE.) Eugene de Beauharnais (Le Grand Capitaine??) An exquisite, fragrant bloom on a stumpy plant whose leaves rust even as they unfold. I don't regret having bought any of them, because I learned from them, but they DID demonstrate the fact that even a GREAT rose may be a loser SOMEWHERE. Jeri...See MoreTea, China, Noisette, et al. Experiences and Recommendations
Comments (21)Baronne Prevost could probably be trained on a pillar but it is fiercely prickly - the big, pointed kinds - I would not want to be the one to tie it up! We have Mme Joseph Schwarz growing in almost total shade in the Sacramento cemetery where it stays clean and blooms. I'm pretty sure it's a sport of Duchesse de Brabant since it sometimes throws pink flowers, but it performs much better. DdB gets mildew here, too, although our summer heat discourages it so the mildew is spring and fall. I heard a European speaker (don't remember who) extoll Mme Joseph Schwatz's virtues as a much superior plant to DdB, and that's been my experience too. Some teas are big. Some are huge. Mrs. Dudley Cross is in that category. Mme Antoine Mari is the closest to a moderate-sized tea that I've encountered but even that is building in our garden. Anita...See MoreHow much store do you put in photos of roses?
Comments (111)My big zone push experiment is with Gooseberries and a Red Lake Currant. I discovered that the first two I planted are getting next to no sun, as soon as they go dormant, they are getting moved a couple of feet to where they can get some sun. The first gooseberry so far has grown but not set fruit but the currant had a few handfuls of tasty red berries this year. I have no expectations of huge crops, that handful made me happy. If I lived somewhere they grew I would probably be disappointed. Being in a zone they do not grow, I am happy. I think some times we have expectations that limit how much we will like a plant. If we are happy with a few blooms from a special rose, maybe it does not make a difference if we have to cover the ugly with companion plants. We might not want a garden filled with the ones that struggle. But if it is Mom's special rose, why not try it. As far as the garden and all the Austins, guessing those plants were all donated, Austin may hope that they do well and they can use that to sell more plants. Or if the first spring flush looks good, that is when they will sell tons of plants. If they later look rotten, chances are your average consumer is not going to take notes and they have already made the sales. I am going to order two plants I have been told will probably not like our garden. I figure it is a $25 lesson on garden zones and expectations. If they grow 1/3 of the typical size, I will be thrilled. I know that our lot has a variety of micro climates, so hoping they like the one I pick. Before I knew what rose it was, I moved a self rooted plant from a spot where it got a lot of radiated heat from a garage to what I thought should be a much better place. The other Iceberg roses loved it there, but this one plant turned in to a rusty mildew nasty looking thing....Guess that is the usual look for Simplicity, but the others are okay in that one special spot (not wonderful-but okay) Makes me wonder how many roses are considered great or bad depending on some minor micro-climate changes....See More'Eugene de Beauharnais' (Bourbon Beauharnais,' et al)
Comments (12)'Eugene de Beauharnais' isn't remotely comparable to 'Old Blush,' or any other China Rose I can think of. "Bourbon" is probably closer to accurate . . . Although to be honest, it's not a lot like most Bourbons, either. In fact, we entered a remarkably lovely spray in a rose show, and had it disqualified as "Not A China." It's one of those roses that won't fit neatly into any niche. The American Kennel Club puts all the dogs they can't categorize into the "Non-Sporting Group." This rose reminds me of that. It's a rose that does not fit in. When I grew it in the late 1980's, we had it on it's own roots. It grew densely to about 20-inches in height. It bloomed compulsively, but had a terrible tendency to rust, which it commonly did on new foliage. With regret, we got rid of it. Now, I was given a budded plant, as a gift. What this rose does in other climates I cannot say, but in my conditions, budding to a powerful rootstock seems to have cured what ailed it. It is also, clearly, going to be a larger plant than it was on its own roots, and bear much larger blooms. So -- I don't know what it would do for you in your conditions (very different from my coastal area) but I would never think of it as a substitute for an Austin. It's "Apples and Oranges."...See More
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malcolm_manners
4 years agojacqueline9CA
4 years agoI have several EdB bushes in my garden - the oldest one left over from the ancestors, the others rooted cuttings of it. Here is the latest one I potted up. It is on its own roots, and to my astonishment is over 5 feet tall (or it would be, except the doe who visits our garden has pulled it over. It was planted inside of a deer cage, but has outgrown that. No idea why this one got taller than the others (most of them top out at 3 feet).
Jackie
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