Gorgeous! You know Desire of Nations is my pick, but Rich in Mercy is also very lovely as are all of them. My order came yesterday, and I got Deliverer, Handwriting on the Wall, Woman at the Well, Spoken in Parables (you know me and pink and eyes) and Cup of Cold Water. I didn't get Desire of Nations this time, either, but I will eventually. I also got four from the auction yesterday, So I am soaking daylilies. I have a fair amount of work to do yet, but the area is at least mostly weed free now. I may temporarily pot these up until I am ready to place them so I can take a little more time. You know, you little enabler you, you are responsible for introducing me to the Emmerich intros. I so love hers, and they do so very well! Looking back at your excellent photos, Fear Not is a favorite here, and Kingdom without End, is such a beauty....hard to want just one of these choices. Winners all. And that lily is the perfect accompaniment kay

I have both of these roses in zone 5, and they're pretty different roses. Both are reliably hardy and bloom most of the season. I can't smell most roses and I don't reliably cut them for inside, so I'm no help on that one. Dark Desire is much taller and gangly as others have mentioned. The color is a to die for purplish red, but if you're looking for something closer to fire engine red this isn't quite a match. Because it's so gangly, it needs something to lean on or some supports when young (only had mine 2 years so it may toughen up). Mine is close to 6' by the end of the season, which is big for Nebraska. It might get bigger in warmer zones. It blooms off and on, with scattered blooms on the bush most of the season rather than the impression of a profusion of bloom. Here's a bloom shot: Here's what I think of as a typical bloom on Dark Desire: One reason I love the color is that you can get this nearly black effect in cool weather: Here's the closest I can find to a bush shot. The Oriental lilies are about 4' high, and there are other roses supporting DD as well as a stake or something nearby. DD isn't on the trellis, but I think I wrapped this clematis around both DD and the lilies to hold them up in my usual lazy fashion: Archbishop Desmond Tutu (or Tutu Sunbelt that Chris says is the same rose) is kind of the opposite of Dark Desire. It's compact and a bushy vase shape, never getting above 3' and suited for the bed around my mailbox. When it blooms, it looks like a bundle of roses clustered together because of the small size of the bush. The color is more true red with just a hint of blue/purple. This is as dark as the blooms get in cool weather: You can see the more typical color in this July shot. This is a full bush shot and shows the nicely branched shape as well as more buds on the way. For prolific bloom, I'd have to give ADT the edge over DD: So bottom line, you need them both (smile). If the color and form of DD makes your heart go zing, then that's the one you want. If you want a more traditional looking red rose that stays mannerly, then ADT is a better bet. If I had to choose only one, I'd probably reluctantly edge ADT for frequency of bloom, but the color of DD makes MY heart zing and I really wouldn't want to choose. Different roses, both good for different things. Cynthia

Vavporvac - I would love to see your Barcelona pics! I looked it up on HMF and it's beautiful, but very red? Thank you! Nanadoll - Big Purple does look magenta, but it is a gorgeous rose! Thank you! It's very hard with pictures to capture the actual color of red/purple/pink roses. Unless someone says this rose is true to the color of the photo. The other consideration is my garden is about 50 feet from the house so I am inclined to use bolder colors just to be able to see it. The pastel pinks, while beautiful, have to be used sparingly only to be viewed while in the garden, otherwise they just look white from the house. Thank you both for your suggestions!

My dark desire gets to 10 feet tall every year unless pruned heavily in early spring and late summer or pegged down. I normally prune to 2 feet tall. Also I have pegged it to get long arches of blooms and keep it lower without pruning as much. Not sure if my pictures Are able to show what I did but I bent the canes down slowly (it likes to break). I used twine and every week I would pick up some slack until I had arches that went almost to the ground. After one season the twine can be removed and the canes are hardened in place. If you peg her it will bloom along those long arches. Then just prune the laterals down and leave your arches in place every year. If you go the prune down to 2-3 feet twice a year it will still bloom great but it will bloom later than other roses, at least it did here. The years I pruned her really hard she grew to 4-5 feet tall before blooming so it took a while. 2019 prunned hard Not blooming yet 2020 pegged started together with the rest hope you get her to a happy place she is a wonderful rose