Hey sorry took so long to get back. I'm actually in zone 5 we do get snow in the winter over here. the soil is kind of compact with rocks 6" down and mixture of clay. it rains mostly in the spring time with little snow. I live in an area where there is no HOA so that wouldn't be a big problem on the tree size. was thinking of a tree that could be around 20ft high or so just something to get some shade and block neighbor view. color doesn't really matter possibly something low maintenance. the yard is about 61ft side to side and from the patio to the fence its about 30ft. I was planning on just putting the trees in and deciding if i wanna just put planters around them or just maybe killing off the grass back by the fence and putting something in, not really sure yet. might expand my patio in the future but nothing in the work, no deck or covering. Thanks everyone for the help!

Sorry; I was wrong about thinking that the Corintian Rose and Mauve cultivars as being new developments. Did some checking and now realize that a few years after more nurseries began offering the Ornamental trees, I must have seen a photo of the Corintian Rose which appeared to bloom more red colored. But the latest photos I have seen of the Corintian Rose seem to reveal that tree's blooms being more true to what reported descriptions of it have been turning up. Dr. Dennis Werner had successfully developed these Corinthian peach cultivars, and reports of them started showing up in web perspectives back over the winter of 1998-99. Those perspectives projected that nurseries would be making these trees available by the winter of 1999-2000. I have not seen the standard nurseries in my area offering these trees, but after I inquired about them to my favorite nursery on the northwest edge of town. They fairly easily found some being offered to the wholesale markets from a local regional grower. My extra research about the development of the different cultivars has reminded me of what I had obviously forgotten when I posted what I replied above. The truth is that Back in the winter of 1998-99; the cultivars which had already been developed were Corinthian, White, Corinthian Pink, Corintihian Rose, and Corinthian Mauve. With the Rose and the Mauve cultivars just now showing up more often on various web sites, must mean that now those cultivars are catching the eye of people more than the White and Pink cultvars are right now. One thing I do know is that the photos on the web of these trees do not capture the dynamic beauty that one is surprised to see in any of these trees that are thriving out in their planting beds. Must be something about the camera shots being so far away that the size and shapes of the flowers appear more non-descript in the photo's and also the amazing way that the sun make the colors of those flowers to appear so stunning must be an aspect that the camera's missed capturing in those photos of these trees that I have been more recently seeing on the Web. I know that the Pink cultivar blooms certainly are such, simply because a friend of mine planted four of these trees along the narrow strip along her front driveway and that boarders her neighbor's yard. The first Spring that her trees burst out in bloom, her husband who never seems to say much about the items at her house that we have planted, well even he, was taken aback at the sight of how stunning those blooms were. At first sight he rushed to get his camera and quicky attached that photo to an email and sent it to me to let me know how amazed he was at first sight of those tree tree's bloom. That was 3 years ago, and the only other item he has reacted the same about was after he first saw blooms, on the hardy, Blue Satin Hibiscus that I had trained up in a tree form and helped my friend plant at her house. Those clear blue...

I really like the wax myrtle, and think I'll try one just to the left of the pines. That area is in full sun for 8 hours or more a day. I love wildlife in the garden and do not mind berries. Also thinking of two Arborvitae Smaragd in the spaces between the three pine trees. I'll research the suggestions for more shade tolerant trees and shrubs. As far as the roots go, guess what we did all Sunday! We had good rain the day before and the ground was soaked. My husband used an axe and I used a saw. Severed thick roots as close to the trunk as we could and then pulled away from the trunk and snipped with loppers as we went. Most came up easily enough, but it was still backbreaking work. The stump grinder came yesterday and ground the stump and about a foot of root clumps right next to the stump. Saved us a lot of money by removing most roots ourselves.

I'll try to find out more about the fence...at minimum it needs a 3' setback and no higher than 3'. Even a fence that is inside of the trees would create a small private space, I guess I need to consider whether or not that would be worth the cost. I need to find out if there is any possibility of a 5' fence. If I cannot install anything that would create real privacy, then I don't want to bother with a fence at all and would rather just get rid of the lawn and underplant the trees with shrubs/perennials/groundcovers to make the front and this side cohesive (but making this be clearly a side), widen the driveway, and put up a sign that tells people to go the front door around the corner I guess. Now that the plants have gotten overgrown, the door isn't visible to the street except at night when the light is on. Here are some photos of the front. Yes things have gotten overgrown, the style of this landscape when we moved in was that everything was a tight rectangle or ball. In the process of letting things get a more natural shape, it became very clear they are too close to the house so most or all of the foundation shrubs probably need to be taken out or hedged (dislike the hedging option). Also the lawn makes our water bill high and it's mainly there for the neighborhood dogs :-P So I want to take it all out. The house is a 60s suburban ranch style. The front of the house faces south, so again the shade is needed. BUT I dislike that the house is hidden AND at the same time it doesn't feel at all private. Some of the things I'm thinking of taking out: Both purple leaf plums are at the end of their lifespan according to the arborist, and the one I've "x"ed out has Ganoderma fungus at the base. She said the "x" tree could probably live a few more years so we've had it treated and will be cleaned up soon along with the other...buying some time while I dither over the landscape re-do. One idea I had was to flank the front entrance yard on either side of the house with 'Natchez' crape myrtles. We love them and they do very well here, and the arborist said we have enough space. I'd like to keep their canopy open and high so that we get shade without blocking the front of house! The "?" is a planting of two Feijoa sellowiana; they are too close to the front door walkway, and the walk needs redoing and to be less curved to the left. Right now they are dropping fruit daily. Currently undecided whether to remove the Feijoa, or cut them down and allow to regrow in a prettier vase form, or leave them alone and just raise the canopy and accept all the strange branching. Behind the Feijoa are four meyer lemons that have been hedged for years. The bases are 2.5' at most from the house. I'm thinking about taking out 3 and allowing one of the bushes on the left to grow into a small ornamental tree...but again it might just be too close to the house and needs to go. I am in the process of trying to hire a designer, but I want to be sure my expectations are realistic and I want to be able to be more clear/reasonable when I tell them what I'm looking for in a design. Barriers to a productive design, on my end, are that I'm indecisive and I cannot find an online example of a front corner like ours that is landscaped in a way I like, and I'm struggling with trusting someone to create something I'd like. Examples they've shown are either huge yards with more normal layouts, or corners that the front side connected to the back. One last goal I had for a re-design: all around the footprint of the house, about 4' from the foundation, are approximately 20 "moss rocks" that are about 2-3' in diameter. I'd really like to incorporate them as more a feature somehow. I wanted a designer to figure that out though, once they are moved we really don't want to move them again. Here's one example of a yard I quite like: