Pruning to achieve a ‘trunk heavy’ magnolia
J Goodell
5 years ago
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Advice for Pruning Southern Magnolia
Comments (14)your goal as stated: I would like this to be as symmetrical and majestic as many of the other Southern magnolias in the area. ==>> in regard to that goal.. of what importance is it.. if there are two leaders ... as others have suggested ... it will achieve symmetry.. because that is what trees do.. when grown in full sunshine ... and being evergreen.. why is a hidden branch an issue to you.. if you were here in MI .. where the trees [no SM's of course] are nudie for 6 months .. i could understand some need for bare symmetry ... but let me suggest.. if you quit sticking your head in the bush.. you wont really be all that concerned about its branching habits ... lol now.. i dont 'do' SM's .. not even sure if i have ever seen one in person.. so.. referring to the link .. i see that many are trained into tree form ... and if that is a function of your goal above.. then perhaps its time to start taking off a few of the lower branches.. and start establishing the trunk ... [BTW.. i see an old stake.. how long has it been in situ??? .. we dont prune heavily for a few years] .... and i am wondering if your focus.. is perhaps not 60 or 70% too high at this time .... so if your goal is a 5 to 6 foot trunk.. before the canopy.. then perhaps it is not time to start 7 foot up ... start at the bottom.. a little every year.. and when you get to this one.. we can decide what to do.. and in the meantime.. it will figure out what it wants to do with that branch ... i am trying to take you thru my thought process.. when it all boils down.. never forget.. its your tree and your saw.. and you have fun with both ... good luck ken Here is a link that might be useful: link...See MoreMagnolia 'Felix' do I prune a competing leader?
Comments (10)"So then it's just a matter of if you want a specimen that forks almost at [ground] level" You don't want that. Cut the competing shoot off in the fall, when the leaves start to go dormant. For now it will be contributing to the plant's root growth which is necessary in a young transplant. Mind if I ask where you are - vaguely - in Australia? I wonder how far north these are sold there. Surely they would be ok in Melbourne and Sydney but I wonder if places like Brisbane have enough winter chill for them. I think there's a whole lost art (or maybe never very widespread art, outside a few storied horticultural institutions) to pruning certain grafted or cutting reproduced trees. Now that I have my eyes open to it, I'm convinced that certain genus are more susceptible to issues with plagiotropic growth than others. And that what becomes the accepted standards for their appearance are in fact based on these growth defects from asexual propagation, and are not what that grex would have looked like when it was first grown out from seed. Because the scion of your magnolia almost certainly didn't come from the very top of the mother tree, it's still programmed to grow in a more bushy pattern. And therefore...what do we often see in arboretums? Many bushy or ill shaped magnolia cultivars. Some of the ones at say, the National Arboretum, are pretty hideous looking. Same with hollies. My 'Venus' or 'James G. Esson' threw out lots of waterspouts in their first 5 years. Unassisted they would have had hideous multiple trunks. Now that they have been forced into a columnar form, they finally seem to be giving up on that. Likewise I'm 'steering' my Gresham magnolias away from being blobs; something that a botanical garden almost never has the time to do at least in this country. cf: http://image.slidesharecdn.com/whatcanbeachievedbytreedomestication-110915235618-phpapp01/95/what-can-be-achieved-by-tree-domestication-21-728.jpg?cb=1316412274...See MoreLarge magnolia has growths on the trunk - how to remove
Comments (31)As stated above if the current owner hates it, they will do as they want, but As far as removing things that have grown into the tree's one branch or 2. The tree has dealt with it years ago. Trees have encapsulated bicycles, ropes and who knows what else, the main trunk is most important and they could likely deal with that stuff. If the owner got rid of the trees canopy above and saved the fern, the fern would die without that canopy ( I strongly believe) that the ferns ( because most ferns need shade) would die. If I were the owner I would maybe water deeply infrequently, but, you don't want to change things too drastically. I would've never thought a Southern Mag w/ Staghorn fern would be in a dry area in Cali. That's rare. I saw one large Staghorn fern in my life in Florida. It was in a large container on a tree trunk. It had some sun, but, most ferns, I have about 6-8 and they all want shade, so I would not get rid of that canopy and plan on keeping that Stag, fern. Plus that tree is very nice and rare, but, it's the owners choice overall. There have been pics years ago posted of bikes and other weird things leant against trees and never moved, and the trees just grew around these things. The trees will never be harmed by these objects unless someone tries to take them out. Maybe a rope for a swing only partially grown into the tree then used by a heavy adult would be worrisome. But, well, lets hope that wont happen....See MoreFiddle leaf fig tree too heavy on one side & leaning: What to do?
Comments (5)The tape is to keep the cat away?The lean is no problem. You can correct that when you repot, which won't be quite the chore you think it will be. You can prune and repot at the same time. Pruning on most (by a wide margin) tropical trees should be done in mid to late June (in northern hemisphere) when trees have high levels of energy and their ability to make energy from the sun's light is peaking (Jun 21 in the N hemisphere). Your tree already has a sort of lazy-s trunk, which would be called an 'informal' upright in bonsai. Personally, I think the trunk is much more interesting and natural than trees with ramrod straight trunks. The lean can be corrected simply by changing the planting angle when you repot; or, by pruning the top back to a leaf pointing in the right direction, which would be back toward an imaginary line extending vertically from the point where the trunk exits the soil. This is a Ficus retusa cutting I started in a pill bottle. Your tree has exactly the same growth habit. If I want the top of the tree to grow to the right, I do nothing, because the top leaf and the new branch forming in the leaf axil (crotch) will naturally grow in the direction of the leaf. Keep in mind that phototropism (plants' tendency to grow toward the light) will trump that response. If I want the top of the new tree created to grow left, I simply remove the top leaf by cutting through the trunk just above the leaf growing left. This is called directional pruning. A third way you can change the direction of a branch is by guiding it mechanically. You can tie a strip rag or soft rope to a branch and move it into a new position.The arrangement above is moving the right branch even more to the right with a piece of metal bar. Then, by gradually tightening the wire, the middle branch will be pulled to the right so it's almost centered between the other 2 branches. You could also use a piece of coated copper wire wrapped around the new branch to guide it. This is a cherry branch ^^^ I just cut to show you how easy it is to bend with wire. Repotting is important. If you can't handle the tree now, what will you do after you've potted up another time or two? Root congestion is a slow killer and robs your tree of huge amounts of potential, & the amount of potential stolen increases until there is no potential left. You can easily reduce the pot size and soil volume by half if you repot, so there is nothing but upside associated with it. Prune all branches back so only the 2 leaves closest to the trunk remain, then prune the top back to a leaf pointing in the right direction. It should be about a foot taller than the branch on the right after that branch has been pruned. I just noticed you live in SoCal. You can do the pruning now if you decide to follow my suggestions, and repot any time in June. BTW - this tree shouldn't go in the ground unless you correct the root issues first. There is no question it will be a problem tree if planted out without rootwork. I bare-root and correct root issues of every tree/shrub I plant. I've seen hundreds of trees that don't grow once in the ground or have large sections of dead branches on one side because the owner dropped a rootball in a hole, covered it with soil, and called it good. Al...See MoreFlo Mangan
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