The type of plant you have, the amount of water (whether natural rain or manual), and container type will make a big difference on the type of mix and how your plant responds in your environment. I think that sometimes we overthink it too much for a plant that is basically only going to be grown as an annual. People have posted great results for tomatoes growing in 5-gallon paint buckets, tires, actual bags of soil as the "container", rubbermaid totes, half whiskey barrels, fancy clay pots, plastic square pots, foam pots, etc., etc. The big thing to consider is your climate - ie., does it get brutally hot all season with little rain or does it fluctuate with hot periods and cooler periods with rain or does it stay cool all summer, etc.? Do you get lazy (or go away alot) during summer and can't water as often or do you baby your plants and try to water them every day whether they may need it or not (out of habit)? Do you get full blazing sun all day long or just morning sun or mainly afternoon sun? Are the plants sitting on concrete? Grass? Black asphalt? Gravel? Wood decking? Basically, over time, you would learn about your area's climate, the actual growing area's microclimate, as well as your natural watering practices, and would then adjust your mix and container type to best fit that. And as an FYI, my mother insists on getting bagged soil rather than a soiless mix and based on her yard, sun exposure, and her watering habits, her container tomatoes and peppers blow mine away by a longshot (she has a south-facing spot for her plants where mine are on a NE-facing covered balcony getting little or no overhead sun but full morning sun and a little in the afternoon in the corner where I position mine). It's the most remarkable thing to see but the whole debate about soil in containers seems to get thrown out after watching her container production year after year after year. Last year, she planted some 12" - 18" tall tomatoes and peppers in pure "Miracle Gro" vegetable and bedding soil (the kind you dump in a bed) at the end of May and by July, her plants looked like this: By August, they looked like this, sprawled all over (she moved her peppers to a different spot as some of the fruit were getting scalded): Apparently, the heavy wettish "soil" that she uses for her containers sitting in full blazing sun was kept in a sort of balance due to the tomato foliage helping to act as a shade over that soil to keep it from getting rock hard too quickly, and thus the soil's tendency to retain moisture helped the roots deal with the sun. So I just say, do some experimenting to see what works best because often things don't always pan out the way that would make any sense whatsover, but the environment and your care practices will be more the determining factor. ;-)

Ohh, that's really beautiful. I love that color and I love singles:) Leslie

Hi mom2sld; Reading your list I think you know what you need, but Ill summarize it for you and try to give you prices for what I know, I was just at Home Depot pricing out stuff for this season. Material Description ______ Quantity _ Cost Each _ Total Cost ------------------------------------------------------------- 2"x6"x8 (cut in half) ...... 4 ....... $6 ea. .... $24 1" blind slats (4" long) .... 12 ...... Free ...... 0 Peat Moss ................... 6 cu.ft. ............ $23 Compost, Various ............ 6 cu.ft. .$5-7 ...... $30 Vermiculite ................. ~6 cu.ft. ........... $30 Box 3-3.5" deck screws ...... 24 min. ............. ~$5 ...................................................------ ........................................ TOTAL ....$97 + tax Your prices will vary. Peat Moss  This stuff come in dry compressed bails usually in 2 cu ft ($9 ea), and 4-5 ($14 ea.), so youÂll need a 2cu. ft. bail and a 4cu. ft. bail. The large bail is heavy so get someone to help you with it. Compost ($5/per cubic foot of composted manure 6 bags ($7 for dehydrated 4 bags)- get yourself a nice selection if you can of composts, get some cow manure compost, some compost mixes, and maybe some sheep pooh too. Chicken manure is too strong and should be used judiciously. I also like seafood compost and you can typically get in New England. I recommend buying dehydrated compost manures when available, they cost a little more but you arenÂt paying for water, and you need less of it by 1/3rd I would say. My advice it to get someone nice at the store to help you and answer your questions, HD/Lowes tends to be hectic, so try a nice garden center. Vermiculite ($20 for 4 cu. ft.) - (not Perlite it is different) call ahead and find out what they have, HomeDept here in the Boston area doesnÂt carry it. I checked to see if LoweÂs website says they carry it and they donÂt say. I have to go to Mahoney in Woburn, MA to find it. Try a real garden center or farm stores in your area. Deck screws  buy a box they will be cheaper then buying them individually, and get a few extras. Have you ever looked for a screw in a lawn? Lumber  Douglas Fir sound great. Just avoid pressure treated stuff, you donÂt want it near your food. Have the folks their cut it in half for you, it depends on the place but often the 1st cut is free, each following cut it 50 cents to a buck. Might I suggest you call around to Home Dept, Lowes, or your local home/garden/building center and see what their prices are and find out what they carry. Also once you decide where youÂre going call ahead and see if they will put the order together for you and have it waiting. It will make it easier for you and the toddler. Then you can just pay for it, chat a little and have some nice person that works there bring it out to your car for you. How big is your car anyhow? Will it fit 16 to 18 cubic feet of garden supplies plus 8 x 2x6x4ft in it? I ask because you might need to make a couple of trips. If you end up doing this you can go shopping at different places and get the best price possible. Other nice places to get gardening materials that I know exist in New England is Agway & Blue Seal and they will have the stuff waiting for you and load it for you too. Plus, you should bring a tarp to put all this stuff on if you have anything other than a truck. These bags seem to always leak and having the car/SUV/van smell like manure all summer well youÂve been warned.. I would like to suggest that you just stick to MelÂs methods & formulas for a couple years until you get the hang of it. The SFG method is really designed for you to succeed so donÂt look for formulas other than what he recommends for now. If your garden succeeds you will probably be garden the rest of your life and will be able to make changes in the decades to come. To answer your other questions more directly: "As for the mix, can someone please tell me exactly what to get and about what it will cost?" : See list above. Are there names/brands to look for or avoid? : IMHO not really, itÂs all composted animal pooh. Get dehydrated if you have a choice more volume for the buck. "Will I be able to get everything at Lowes/Home Depot? If not, where?" : You will be able to get almost everything from either. I suggest you let you fingers do the walking, and as I suggested see if they can have the order ready for you when you arrive. Call them the day before to give them some time to put it together. IMHO: you might like to buy from a local business too such as Agway, Blue Seal, a local green house, and hardware/home builder store, this will get you started in being part of your local community. Also when you need advice or help the small places tend to have less turnover in staff, so next year you can talk to Bill the Garden guy because he still works there. The smaller places will put your order together for you and are happy to have your business. To get the Vermiculite you will have to go to a specialty place since I donÂt think HD or Lowes has it. "I haven't started composting yet, so I will have to purchase that too. Is it sold in these stores? " : Yes composted manure is sold at HD & Lowes although their selection is not as broad as a garden center. They usually only have cow and one other compost mixture. "Has anyone not used Mel's mix, but a different mixture with great results?" : as I said earlier stick to MelÂs method for a couple of years before you use something someone else has developed. SFG is designed to help you succeed. More experienced gardeners develop there own formulas for there own reasons, which they donÂt always remember the reasons why. Backyard gardening is more an art form then a science. MelÂs method reduces it to a science that you can learn the art form from. "For the two 4x4 gardens I described above, about how much will it cost to start? $50? More, less?" : It will run you just over 100 bucks, see list above. Since you say you are so busy and canÂt take the time to scrounge materials youÂll have to pay retail. Composting: you seem to express and interest in composting, which will be essential to keep your garden going in the years to come. There is a nice composting forum here at GardenWeb, but I suggest you get a little book that teaches you a method too. Mel does a good job getting you started. Composting is not hard but it CAN take a little trial and error. ItÂs not rocket science, but be careful what you put in your pile. If you are not sure if something belongs in the pile leave it out until you know it is safe. Your local town Parks/Recreational or Trash department might actually have compost bins for sale at a discount. Or a friend of yours might live in a town that can get it for you cheaper. A simple bin cost is $25 ea, better bins about $50 ea. Let me say, "Welcome to the wonderful world of gardening." I hope we can help you succeed at your first attempt. CloneZero PS Sorry the list is not very readable but the forums editor software ripped all my space formatting out.

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